Elusive Tulip Pommel Kris

[ThePepperSkull]

OH, MAN!

I've actually come across quite a few of these in person and PASSED ON THEM thinking that they were severely damagerd kakatua pommels that had been reshaped into something presentable (That and I'm looking currently for older Sulu pieces).

Thank you for showing me the error of my ways, as I seem to have made a TON of errors regarding the tulip pommel. Which reminds me... I have some calls to make.

[kai]

I've actually come across quite a few of these in person and PASSED ON THEM thinking that they were severely damagerd kakatua pommels that had been reshaped into something presentable

That's still a distinct possibility that some of the rare hilt/pommel variants (not only with Moro pieces - throughout the archipelago) came into being as modifications by gifted artisans after the original pommel did break which does happen quite regularly as evidenced by broken/repaired kakatua pommels with genuine old patina on them.

I've also seen a few kris with this pommel style. I'll try to post some pics when I find them.

Regards,
Kai

[Battara]

It would be great to see more of these. Cato says they are rare, but perhaps he did not see what others have outside of museums.

[A.alnakkas]

Excellent info, Jose. thanks :- )

Just one newbie question, When I see the tang of a Kris, it looks very slim compared to european and "middle eastern" blades.. was it made to be used or just a dress sword?

The barong is serious business ofc :- P

[kai]

When I see the tang of a Kris, it looks very slim compared to european and "middle eastern" blades.. was it made to be used or just a dress sword?

The Moro kris was always meant to be functional. There are a few exceptions of ceremonial pieces with huge pommels that would kinda get in the way and were worn by high ranking persons who would certainly choose another piece from their personal arsenal if they needed to take part in any battle; still good enough for SD action if needed at all.

Actually, the tang of a Moro kris (and Malay keris sundang) is quite thick. It may look a bit on the short side for modern eyes but has a proven track record. Many other sword blades from different cultures came with tangs of similar or shorter sizes: e. g. some of the Indian wootz blades. The tang of the shorter ancestors of the Moro kris - the keris dagger from the Indonesian and Malay spheres of influence - may look slim (not always though) but is usually good enough for it's intended use as a close-in stabbing weapon (this weapon function has become culturally obsolete in limited areas like Jawa).

Regards,
Kai

[Battara]

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Just one newbie question, When I see the tang of a Kris, it looks very slim compared to european and "middle eastern" blades.. was it made to be used or just a dress sword?

Good question. I agree with Kai - they were made to be useable. Thicker than others. As thick as some European pieces too.

Kai - I wish I could give you measurements, but, well, it is back with the owner now.

Oh and you're welcome A.Alnakkas

[kai]

Cato says they are rare, but perhaps he did not see what others have outside of museums.

Yes, not that common. Yet I bet he left out a few museums as well...

Regards,
Kai