arabian shamshir?!

AJ1356 · 17th August 2011, 12:20 PM

looks suspeciously Persian to me. I could not make out the writing unfortunately. pretty nice though

Martin Lubojacky · 17th August 2011, 03:26 PM

A think the blade is Persian, hilt and mounts are typical for Syria
Regards,
Martin

Kurt · 17th August 2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Lubojacky

A think the blade is Persian, hilt and mounts are typical for Syria
Regards,
Martin

Hi Martin ,
I agree with you, is a correct assessment.
Best Kurt

tom hyle · 18th August 2011, 04:32 PM

The use of a ferule or wrap that covers the upper lagnet seems to me a distinctly Arab practice that is also seen on kaskara. Is this seen on Pesian or Turkish hilts?
On kaskara (ie inland Southern Arab swords from Africa) I've seen the guard has an ordinary (if I may) tang slot rather than the feruling hollow center found on Persian and Turkish guards. Is this the case with Northern Arab swords as well?

ariel · 21st August 2011, 04:31 AM

For me, the differentiating point is the orientation of the pommel: 90 degrees to the handle - Persian, bent down ( like this one) - Syria, bent up - Aravia proper.

Martin Lubojacky · 21st August 2011, 11:59 AM

I think, as far as sword-hilt is concerned, typical for Syria are also small stars and dots on the handle

A.alnakkas · 21st August 2011, 12:39 PM

Yep, This is a syrian style hilt. There are 5 types of "shamshir" hilts used by arabs:

1- Najdi/Badawi hilt.
2- Shami or syrian style hilt.
3- Persian style, but with added wire typical seen in syrian and najdi.
4- Turkish style hilt (usually with wire added).
5- "Badawi" style hilt attributed to the coastal kingdoms of the gulf.

As for No.5 I mean a type that is very hard to tell apart from the typical najdi. The main difference is that the pommel on such swords is shorter then that of the najdi (similar to persian shamshir pommel) while maintaining almost every feature of the najdi hilt (riveted hilt slabs, Identical guard and wire wrapping + chain)

Regards,

Alnakkas

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17th August 2011, 12:20 PM	#1
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	looks suspeciously Persian to me. I could not make out the writing unfortunately. pretty nice though

17th August 2011, 03:26 PM	#2
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 845	A think the blade is Persian, hilt and mounts are typical for Syria Regards, Martin

18th August 2011, 04:32 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	The use of a ferule or wrap that covers the upper lagnet seems to me a distinctly Arab practice that is also seen on kaskara. Is this seen on Pesian or Turkish hilts? On kaskara (ie inland Southern Arab swords from Africa) I've seen the guard has an ordinary (if I may) tang slot rather than the feruling hollow center found on Persian and Turkish guards. Is this the case with Northern Arab swords as well?

21st August 2011, 04:31 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	For me, the differentiating point is the orientation of the pommel: 90 degrees to the handle - Persian, bent down ( like this one) - Syria, bent up - Aravia proper.

21st August 2011, 11:59 AM	#6
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 845	I think, as far as sword-hilt is concerned, typical for Syria are also small stars and dots on the handle

21st August 2011, 12:39 PM	#7
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Yep, This is a syrian style hilt. There are 5 types of "shamshir" hilts used by arabs: 1- Najdi/Badawi hilt. 2- Shami or syrian style hilt. 3- Persian style, but with added wire typical seen in syrian and najdi. 4- Turkish style hilt (usually with wire added). 5- "Badawi" style hilt attributed to the coastal kingdoms of the gulf. As for No.5 I mean a type that is very hard to tell apart from the typical najdi. The main difference is that the pommel on such swords is shorter then that of the najdi (similar to persian shamshir pommel) while maintaining almost every feature of the najdi hilt (riveted hilt slabs, Identical guard and wire wrapping + chain) Regards, Alnakkas