Indonesian ? spear for I.D. and comment

[asomotif]

Ps. 2 examples next to each other.

BTW, Maurice. This is not to undermine your Borneo theory. Borneo is possible.
But especially this silver work can be found throughout the Archipelago.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ps. 2 examples next to each other.

BTW, Maurice. This is not to undermine your Borneo theory. Borneo is possible.
But especially this silver work can be found throughout the Archipelago.

Hi Willem,

well done research. The affinity of the ferrules is amazing.

Regards,

Detlef

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ps. 2 examples next to each other.

BTW, Maurice. This is not to undermine your Borneo theory. Borneo is possible.
But especially this silver work can be found throughout the Archipelago.

Yes almost identical:-)
But as I said before it isn't dajak!
Also I've seen lances with provenance from Borneo, with silver ferrules ornamented like these....
But what's make me saying that Collin's lance could be Borneo is because of the iron blade and the wooden shaft.
I've seen Borneo spears with identical carved circles in the wooden shaft as Colin's.....

I like these kind of puzzles....

Maurice

[asomotif]

I recently bought a borneo spear.

Slightly different metal decoration and unfortunately not silver.
The spearhead is layered forging. probably imported from Java.

The shaft is dark hard wood of the quality we see in blowpipes.
It has a simple decoration on the shaft.

Nice for comparrison.

Best regards,
Willem

[Battara]

I know that the blade is Javanese, but I also thought the brass sleeve was also Javanese style as well?

Nice piece in any case........

[Maurice]

Nice spear Willem.

Any provenance?

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Nice spear Willem.
Any provenance?

Hi Maurice,

Old German collection, but not more specific than that.
It came with 2 others.

[Gavin Nugent]

Posts 24 & 27 present the spear types recorded as Sulawesi based on Asomotif's Wereldmuseum attribution….but there seems to be conjecture about the possible origins throughout the thread.

Being a spear collector, it was bought to my attention, that Artzi had recently sold one of these types that he attributes to Thailand...Whilst don't think Thailand, for those more learned on Thai arms, is there any possibility these are from Thailand or the Malay borders of Thailand?

I ask because, whilst Artzi mentions no provenance, there is on a miniature scale and design, similarities in the way they carry a tsuba like sleeve as seen on Thai spears...although overall they differ so much in size, proportions & design ...

The blade type all seem to be in Java(ish) style with most I have seen having a differential core.

Thoughts and opinions on this attribution

Gavin

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Battara

I know that the blade is Javanese, but I also thought the brass sleeve was also Javanese style as well?
Nice piece in any case........

The sleeve is dirty but underneath the dirt it is sort of silver colour. I think it is a nickle alloy.

I have seen this type of sleeve decoration on Javanese, Sumatran and Borneo spears.
In RMV, Leiden I found an example that appears to be from Sulawesi.(see earlier in this thread)
So I can not pin-point it to a specific Island or region.
Maybe they where traded. maybe the silver craftsmen where scattered over te Islands coastal regions.

Best regards,
Willem