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Old 7th June 2011, 10:27 PM   #1
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The black coral is very delicate so you see quite often either two parts of Akar Bahar for the curve or the type of handle without the end angle piece.
Here are the budget versions of Akar bahar hilts.

Ps. I think the ivory piece is a western recent addition.
I have never seen this on old museum collection pieces.
But replacing a gold cover with enamel seems like madness to me.
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Old 7th June 2011, 10:31 PM   #2
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Here are the budget versions of Akar bahar hilts.

Ps. I think the ivory piece is a western recent addition.
I have never seen this on old museum collection pieces.
But replacing a gold cover with enamel seems like madness to me.
Willem,

I think it would be a big challange for you in your noble smith class....

Nice rencongs BTW.

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Old 7th June 2011, 10:41 PM   #3
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Willem,

I think it would be a big challange for you in your noble smith class....
Noble smith
I found "Silversmith" and "forging".

But restoring the end cap in gold, with chisseling and enamel work...
It looks like a very tough job.

Would it be possible Jose ??
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Old 7th June 2011, 10:44 PM   #4
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Noble smith
I found "Silversmith" and "forging".
Well Willem as you're a noble man, I thought Noble smith was more eligible to use...
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But restoring the end cap in gold, with chisseling and enamel work...
It looks like a very tough job.

Would it be possible Jose ??
Well, may be a little above my skills. I'm not sure. Would rather find someone else to do this, at least the gold work. Not worried about the enamel work as much as the gold work. However the gold itself is expensive. Will take to a jeweler friend for opinions.

Any suggestions or referrals would be welcome.
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Here is an example I found on the web.
Collection Tropenmuseum.
Not the unusual type of golden crown on this one
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Old 8th June 2011, 01:04 AM   #7
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Thank you Asomotif and Erik.

Erik - have never seen the end of this type before and therefore did not know that the end cap was filigree with a stone.

Below are your museum pictures filtered to see more detail for our forum records.
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Old 8th June 2011, 05:09 AM   #8
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Here another example from a private collection.

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Old 8th June 2011, 04:01 PM   #9
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Thank you Asomotif and Erik.

Erik - have never seen the end of this type before and therefore did not know that the end cap was filigree with a stone.
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Hi Jose,

This is not always the case - most often it is the same as the other parts flat with enamel inlay. Stones you see more often but stone and the filigree is quite rare I think.

My expectation is that is you had to have to buy the gold for the rear piece and then also the time of a jeweller to make it you would spend more than on buying a perfect old example. Remember the gold is above 18k and current gold prices are not funny at all....nor are jewellers hourly wages and this would take a bit of time for someone to make....

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Old 8th June 2011, 12:30 PM   #10
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Here are the budget versions of Akar bahar hilts.
Still rare examples and very nice - I like the black coral a lot but it is very unpractical for a fighting knife what most rencongs essentialy are...
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