Tombak ( 1) Javanese ?

A. G. Maisey · 27th March 2011, 02:18 AM

David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground.

The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong".

Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

danny1976 · 27th March 2011, 10:56 AM

[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

@ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry
dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also .

someone that has a idea ?

A. G. Maisey · 27th March 2011, 11:08 AM

Danny, the spear blade is not Javanese.

The beautiful shaft and sopal are unlike any old Javanese pieces that I have seen.

danny1976 · 27th March 2011, 11:12 AM

@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering.

I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

asomotif · 27th March 2011, 12:05 PM

Danny,

Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra.
I would not wrangan them.

I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.

Gavin Nugent · 27th March 2011, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering.

I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

Danny, I too say Sumatra.
They both share the form of the silvered one in the Kelling Hall spears I have retained and in general, the spear heads are of Sumatran/Aceh form.

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Danny,

Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra.
I would not wrangan them.

I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.

Agreed, I would not Wrangan them.

Gav

Sajen · 27th March 2011, 02:15 PM

Hi Danny,

like I write by the other lance, very very nice. Another vote for not warangan but maybe an mild etch with vinegar.

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 31st March 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

Hello Danny,
I also checked the RMV.
Difficult to say.
These might be Atjeh, but just the same it might be any other part of Sumatra. The ferrule is not specifically Atjeh, nor is the blade.
Blades like this one are also found on karo batak "lembing raja"
The octagonal wood might be the best indication pointing towards Atjeh at this moment

Still nice lances in very nice condition

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27th March 2011, 02:18 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong". The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground. The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong". Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

27th March 2011, 10:56 AM	#2
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong". @ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also . someone that has a idea ?

27th March 2011, 11:08 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Danny, the spear blade is not Javanese. The beautiful shaft and sopal are unlike any old Javanese pieces that I have seen.

27th March 2011, 11:12 AM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering. I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

27th March 2011, 12:05 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Danny, Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra. I would not wrangan them. I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.

27th March 2011, 02:15 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Hi Danny, like I write by the other lance, very very nice. Another vote for not warangan but maybe an mild etch with vinegar. Regards, Detlef