Tombak ( 1) Javanese ?

danny1976 · 26th March 2011, 08:09 PM

Hi Maurice ,

I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the
same provenance

About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are
from Java i will give them the warangan treatment .
i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

Maurice · 26th March 2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Hi Maurice ,

I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the
same provenance

About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are
from Java i will give them the warangan treatment .
i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

Yes, I've something with the same provenance. It will be delivered personally 4th April probably, while enjoying a cup of coffee.
It's a rencong, simple but genuine!
The rencong needs some cleaning, the blade is rusted, and I'm looking forward to start with the work.

I decided to make a thread of it. Maybe some more pieces of this collection will show up here later on....
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13559

A. G. Maisey · 27th March 2011, 02:18 AM

David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground.

The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong".

Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

danny1976 · 27th March 2011, 10:56 AM

[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong".

@ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry
dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also .

someone that has a idea ?

A. G. Maisey · 27th March 2011, 11:08 AM

Danny, the spear blade is not Javanese.

The beautiful shaft and sopal are unlike any old Javanese pieces that I have seen.

danny1976 · 27th March 2011, 11:12 AM

@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering.

I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

asomotif · 27th March 2011, 12:05 PM

Danny,

Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra.
I would not wrangan them.

I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.

asomotif · 31st March 2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by danny1976

I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

Hello Danny,
I also checked the RMV.
Difficult to say.
These might be Atjeh, but just the same it might be any other part of Sumatra. The ferrule is not specifically Atjeh, nor is the blade.
Blades like this one are also found on karo batak "lembing raja"
The octagonal wood might be the best indication pointing towards Atjeh at this moment

Still nice lances in very nice condition

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26th March 2011, 08:09 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Maurice , I believe there is something in youre collection soon with the same provenance About the etching ... i will wait until i realy know where the from, when the are from Java i will give them the warangan treatment . i they are from a other island maybe i just leave them in this state , not sure yet.

27th March 2011, 02:18 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong". The butt of the spear shaft when covered with metal is called a "tunjung". The word "tunjung" actually means "lotus" and the tunjung on the end of spear shaft has a little lotus shaped metal knob on it that can be dug into the ground. The correct terminology is "sopal", but in colloquial speech people very often call it a "brongsong". Strictly speaking a brongsong is a case for any weapon, it is also a woven basket that we put around fruit when it is still on the tree to protect it, so it will not fall because of wind or ripeness and get damaged .

27th March 2011, 10:56 AM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]David, if the spears were Javanese the ferrule would be called either "sopal" or "brongsong". @ Mr Maisey . So can i conclude out of the words above that the spears are not from Java ? I.m not sure by myself because the metal of the tombak is verry dense welded , and the top of the ''bronsong'' makes me hesitate also . someone that has a idea ?

27th March 2011, 11:08 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Danny, the spear blade is not Javanese. The beautiful shaft and sopal are unlike any old Javanese pieces that I have seen.

27th March 2011, 11:12 AM	#6
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	@ mr Maisey , Thanks for answering. I did some search last night in the database of the RMV and it,s diffecult to see on the photo,s but i have the feeling i could be atjeh ... but stil not sure.

27th March 2011, 12:05 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Danny, Yes it loooks Atjeh or at least Sumatra. I would not wrangan them. I will post some pictures of Atjeh spears I have later this week.