Dagger for ID: Spanish?Gaucho?

Atlantia · 26th February 2011, 05:10 PM

Hi all
Here's my latest find, it's quite long (haven't got a measure to hand, but must be a little over 30cm)
Seems strangely familiar

fernando · 26th February 2011, 07:02 PM

Hi Gene,
This would be a Brazilian 'faca de ponta'. Search for this term in this very forum and you will find a few threads discussing these knives typology.
The stamp 'O CABOCLO' is the name of the traditional Brazilian peasant mestiço person.
You may as well post a close up of the other mark; potentially the seal of some known Brazilian cuttlery; or some foreign (German?) exporter to Brazil.

kronckew · 26th February 2011, 07:44 PM

nice one! mine is a bit shorter at 25 cm. - i like it. slim and deadly.

Atlantia · 26th February 2011, 10:44 PM

Hi Gents,
Excellent thank you.
Length is 13-1/2" or 34cm.

Blade is sharp and very sturdy, non-plated, extremely well made and functional. Handle is horn and I assume bone.
Strangely I saw a small (very late) commercial one at the fair also, with the blade etched to read 'The High Life'.

It feels later 19th century. Would that be correct?

The makers mark on the other side is a bit indistinct and the staining is right where it's lightly struck.
It reads:
W&G **OGEL

ELB***ELD (4th letter is either E or L)

Atlantia · 26th February 2011, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

nice one! mine is a bit shorter at 25 cm. - i like it. slim and deadly.

LOL, just realised "faca de ponta" means "A pointed Knife"

ingelred · 27th February 2011, 12:46 AM

Hi,

Elberfeld is indeed Germany.
The name may be W&G VOGEL.
Vogel is not uncomman as a family name in Germany.

Best regards

Atlantia · 27th February 2011, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ingelred

Hi,

Elberfeld is indeed Germany.
The name may be W&G VOGEL.
Vogel is not uncomman as a family name in Germany.

Best regards

Thank you Ingelred.
You are right

I've done a search and a list of cutelrs marks has 'W&G VOGEL ELBERFELD' as being 1899, so that seems a good start

Thank you again
Gene

Chris Evans · 28th February 2011, 07:29 AM

Hi Folks,

For some images re this type of knife, albeit from an old film about Lampiao: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8RWS...eature=related

Lampiao was a famous outlaw and a brief description of his life can be seen here: http://www.timsparks.com/articles/lampiao.html

Cheers
Chris

Atlantia · 28th February 2011, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

Hi Folks,

For some images re this type of knife, albeit from an old film about Lampiao: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8RWS...eature=related

Lampiao was a famous outlaw and a brief description of his life can be seen here: http://www.timsparks.com/articles/lampiao.html

Cheers
Chris

Very interesting, thanks Chris

Best
Gene

26th February 2011, 05:10 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Dagger for ID: Spanish?Gaucho? Hi all Here's my latest find, it's quite long (haven't got a measure to hand, but must be a little over 30cm) Seems strangely familiar

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26th February 2011, 07:02 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Gene, This would be a Brazilian 'faca de ponta'. Search for this term in this very forum and you will find a few threads discussing these knives typology. The stamp 'O CABOCLO' is the name of the traditional Brazilian peasant mestiço person. You may as well post a close up of the other mark; potentially the seal of some known Brazilian cuttlery; or some foreign (German?) exporter to Brazil.

26th February 2011, 07:44 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	nice one! mine is a bit shorter at 25 cm. - i like it. slim and deadly.

26th February 2011, 10:44 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Gents, Excellent thank you. Length is 13-1/2" or 34cm. Blade is sharp and very sturdy, non-plated, extremely well made and functional. Handle is horn and I assume bone. Strangely I saw a small (very late) commercial one at the fair also, with the blade etched to read 'The High Life'. It feels later 19th century. Would that be correct? The makers mark on the other side is a bit indistinct and the staining is right where it's lightly struck. It reads: W&G OGEL ELB*ELD (4th letter is either E or L)

27th February 2011, 12:46 AM	#6
ingelred Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moenchengladbach, Germany Posts: 62	Hi, Elberfeld is indeed Germany. The name may be W&G VOGEL. Vogel is not uncomman as a family name in Germany. Best regards

28th February 2011, 07:29 AM	#8
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 685	Hi Folks, For some images re this type of knife, albeit from an old film about Lampiao: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8RWS...eature=related Lampiao was a famous outlaw and a brief description of his life can be seen here: http://www.timsparks.com/articles/lampiao.html Cheers Chris