Visayan oddity

themorningstar · 1st July 2005, 04:41 AM

crude??? yes... ugly?? yes... cheap??? you wouldnt begin to understand... worthy??? a "competitor's" talibong snapped in half against it... enjoy!

Spunjer · 1st July 2005, 05:57 AM

zel,
i was inclined to call this piece a binangon or sundang, as themorningstar mentioned; but this piece is more of a knife than anything else. the blade at its widest is 1 and 1/8 inch wide and the base's width closest to the ferrule is only half an inch. again, the blade is only 11 inches long. would this be more of a kutsilyo or lansitas in definition, or would you still consider this as a binangon/sundang? i will try to post a picture of this baby next to my binangon for comparison...

the binalibon/talinangon was actually a lighthearted jab to the way this piece was put together.

your sanduko definition is definitely an eye opener. that's one term i've never heard until my trip to museo iloilo. thanks. as always, you are the man when it comes to this kinda stuff.

Spunjer · 1st July 2005, 01:28 PM

here's that little thing compared to my 'everyday chore' binangon and good ol' bathead...

zelbone · 1st July 2005, 04:04 PM

Hey morningstar! Those are the same bolos that Shelley and the guys picked-up in Hinigaran. Yeah, they came in a variety of blade forms and sure they were sort of crude and ugly, but I wouldn't hesitate grabbing one if I had to cross blades with another. They do the job and they do it well

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Spunger, I see what you mean. I didn't realize how small it was, but then again I wouldn't get hung up on what you would call it. Kutsilyo and lansitas would work and be totally acceptable, as well as sundang or sanduko. Again this depends where you are and what dialect you're speaking. Personally, I would just use the term daga...especially if I had a talibong, tenegre, or ginunting in my other hand as my espada

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I actually have a little daga very similar to yours, but with the deity hilt and a more bilog type blade. Check out my little daga compared to it's larger espada counterparts. While we're talking about Visayan dagas (or kutsilyos or lansitas), they also come in a variety of forms as well. I might have to post pics of several Visayan dagas I have...you know...to keep my left hand occupied

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themorningstar · 1st July 2005, 04:25 PM

zel!!!
yea... ya gotta love em... oh and thanks for posting the pic of the plamingko, no one wants to accept that its a real blade form since it doesnt look like a talibong or ginunting. oh and those are real knots on the stick...
holla at me later...

Spunjer · 1st July 2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Personally, I would just use the term daga...

cebuano man na, lagi.

yes, post pics of those little fellers, if you don't mind. your right, tho, it does feel good paired up with the bathead. noticed i only said it feels good; now if only know how to work these...

zelbone · 2nd July 2005, 03:06 AM

Yo, Morningstar! I figured you'd get a lot of "what is it?" responses to your plamingko. It goes to show you that not every Visayan sword is a talibong, ginunting, garab, or sansibar. You and I know that there are even more sword forms in the Visayas that most people have never heard of or seen. The plamingko is one stealthy blade...kinda reminds me of a Moro barung. And those two bolos you posted are the same one's the guys picked up in Hinigaran, Negros Occidental...probably made around Bacolod. The guy's love them...makes me regret not picking one up

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Spunger...
Dude...you know I'm not Cebuano! I'm Batangueno/Aklanon!

Anyways, here's a few dagas (ok kutsilyos) from the Visayas...mostly Ilonggo. The first three are deity hilt tenegre dagas. The top one was posted earlier with the bilog blade which is chisel-edged. The center daga has a triangular blade which is flat on one side and beveled on other side. The double-deity hilt has a regular double beveled blade. The other three daggas are non-tenegre or deity forms. The top one has your typical Visayan (Ilonggo) hilt...blind tang and iron ferrule. The blade is also chisel-edged...it's flat on the other side. The scabbard looks more modern with a belt slide and is made of rawhide...some hairs are also still intact. The other two are kris dagas...the bottom one being quite long.

1st July 2005, 04:41 AM	#1
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	crude??? yes... ugly?? yes... cheap??? you wouldnt begin to understand... worthy??? a "competitor's" talibong snapped in half against it... enjoy! Attached Images

1st July 2005, 01:28 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	here's that little thing compared to my 'everyday chore' binangon and good ol' bathead... Attached Images

1st July 2005, 04:04 PM	#4
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Hey morningstar! Those are the same bolos that Shelley and the guys picked-up in Hinigaran. Yeah, they came in a variety of blade forms and sure they were sort of crude and ugly, but I wouldn't hesitate grabbing one if I had to cross blades with another. They do the job and they do it well ! Spunger, I see what you mean. I didn't realize how small it was, but then again I wouldn't get hung up on what you would call it. Kutsilyo and lansitas would work and be totally acceptable, as well as sundang or sanduko. Again this depends where you are and what dialect you're speaking. Personally, I would just use the term daga...especially if I had a talibong, tenegre, or ginunting in my other hand as my espada . I actually have a little daga very similar to yours, but with the deity hilt and a more bilog type blade. Check out my little daga compared to it's larger espada counterparts. While we're talking about Visayan dagas (or kutsilyos or lansitas), they also come in a variety of forms as well. I might have to post pics of several Visayan dagas I have...you know...to keep my left hand occupied . Attached Images

1st July 2005, 04:25 PM	#5
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	zel!!! yea... ya gotta love em... oh and thanks for posting the pic of the plamingko, no one wants to accept that its a real blade form since it doesnt look like a talibong or ginunting. oh and those are real knots on the stick... holla at me later... Attached Images

2nd July 2005, 03:06 AM	#7
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Dagas, Kutsilyso, Lansitas, punyals...whatever Yo, Morningstar! I figured you'd get a lot of "what is it?" responses to your plamingko. It goes to show you that not every Visayan sword is a talibong, ginunting, garab, or sansibar. You and I know that there are even more sword forms in the Visayas that most people have never heard of or seen. The plamingko is one stealthy blade...kinda reminds me of a Moro barung. And those two bolos you posted are the same one's the guys picked up in Hinigaran, Negros Occidental...probably made around Bacolod. The guy's love them...makes me regret not picking one up . Spunger... Dude...you know I'm not Cebuano! I'm Batangueno/Aklanon! Anyways, here's a few dagas (ok kutsilyos) from the Visayas...mostly Ilonggo. The first three are deity hilt tenegre dagas. The top one was posted earlier with the bilog blade which is chisel-edged. The center daga has a triangular blade which is flat on one side and beveled on other side. The double-deity hilt has a regular double beveled blade. The other three daggas are non-tenegre or deity forms. The top one has your typical Visayan (Ilonggo) hilt...blind tang and iron ferrule. The blade is also chisel-edged...it's flat on the other side. The scabbard looks more modern with a belt slide and is made of rawhide...some hairs are also still intact. The other two are kris dagas...the bottom one being quite long. Attached Images

1st July 2005, 05:57 AM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	zel, i was inclined to call this piece a binangon or sundang, as themorningstar mentioned; but this piece is more of a knife than anything else. the blade at its widest is 1 and 1/8 inch wide and the base's width closest to the ferrule is only half an inch. again, the blade is only 11 inches long. would this be more of a kutsilyo or lansitas in definition, or would you still consider this as a binangon/sundang? i will try to post a picture of this baby next to my binangon for comparison... the binalibon/talinangon was actually a lighthearted jab to the way this piece was put together. your sanduko definition is definitely an eye opener. that's one term i've never heard until my trip to museo iloilo. thanks. as always, you are the man when it comes to this kinda stuff.

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