BIRD FORM KERIS HANDLES, SUMATRA

GIO · 9th February 2011, 07:52 PM

Here is my cockatoo.
Sumatra ? peninsular ? composite ?

Marcokeris · 9th February 2011, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIO

Here is my cockatoo.
Sumatra ? peninsular ? composite ?

Very very nice. IMO peninsular

fearn · 9th February 2011, 08:55 PM

Just a couple of zoological notes:

--Hummingbirds are strictly new world. The Indonesian equivalents are sunbirds.

The other, more interesting question is why no one mentions hornbills in this context. The ones posted by Vandoo, VVV, and Sajen certainly look like hornbills to me.

Best,

F

sirek · 9th February 2011, 09:50 PM

the story of the seller was: that he originally comes from bali
and that all parts belong together and are not composed

but I'm not knowledgeable enough to confirm this

,

but I would like to hear someone else's opinion if the seller was wrong

VANDOO · 9th February 2011, 10:21 PM

I AGREE THE HORNBILL AND KINGFISHER BOTH HAVE A LOT MORE CULTURAL IMPORTANCE IN THOSE AREAS. THE KERIS IN QUESTION WAS IDENTIFIED AS A HUMMINGBIRD KERIS IN THE BOOK BUT I WONDERED IF IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A HORNBILL SUCH AS THIS ONE.
ITS TOO BAD THEY DON'T HAVE NATIVE HUMMINGBIRDS AS NOTHING ELSE CAN FLY LIKE THEY DO AND THEY ARE PRETTY LITTLE CRITTERS. I GUESS ITS ONLY FAIR AS WE DON'T HAVE HORNBILLS OVER HERE.

EVERYONE SURE HAS SOME BEAUTIFUL AND UNUSUAL KERIS.

THE LAST ONE IS SURE NEAT IT HAS PHOENIX AND A LOBSTER OR SCORPION? I HAD NOT SEEN THAT BEFORE.

I HAVENT SEEN ONE WITH A STORK FOR FERTILITY YET

David · 10th February 2011, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirek

the story of the seller was: that he originally comes from bali
and that all parts belong together and are not composed

but I'm not knowledgeable enough to confirm this

,

but I would like to hear someone else's opinion if the seller was wrong

I am fairly confident in stating that your blade is not a Bali or Lombok blade. The dress is also not like any Bali dress i know either by motif or design, though the shape of the sheath is somewhat similar to the Bali gayaman style sheaths. But it looks more likely to be from Madura is regards to the carving (though given the lobster motif it might be from Nova Scotia

)
The blade certainly looks Bugis to my eyes.

David · 10th February 2011, 01:03 AM

Sirek, i photo shopped a little of the detail into your shot for better reference.

kai · 10th February 2011, 09:10 AM

Indeed, a Bugis blade IMHO.

The fittings look post-WW2 to me. To me the Bugis blade and fittings with Bali influence makes an origin from Lombok quite probable (with a more recent Madura composite being the other possibility); the non-traditional motifs may make it difficult to prove it one way or the other though.

Regards,
Kai

9th February 2011, 07:52 PM	#1
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 328	Here is my cockatoo. Sumatra ? peninsular ? composite ? Attached Images

9th February 2011, 09:50 PM	#4
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	the story of the seller was: that he originally comes from bali and that all parts belong together and are not composed but I'm not knowledgeable enough to confirm this , but I would like to hear someone else's opinion if the seller was wrong Attached Images

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VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AGREE THE HORNBILL AND KINGFISHER BOTH HAVE A LOT MORE CULTURAL IMPORTANCE IN THOSE AREAS. THE KERIS IN QUESTION WAS IDENTIFIED AS A HUMMINGBIRD KERIS IN THE BOOK BUT I WONDERED IF IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A HORNBILL SUCH AS THIS ONE. ITS TOO BAD THEY DON'T HAVE NATIVE HUMMINGBIRDS AS NOTHING ELSE CAN FLY LIKE THEY DO AND THEY ARE PRETTY LITTLE CRITTERS. I GUESS ITS ONLY FAIR AS WE DON'T HAVE HORNBILLS OVER HERE. EVERYONE SURE HAS SOME BEAUTIFUL AND UNUSUAL KERIS. THE LAST ONE IS SURE NEAT IT HAS PHOENIX AND A LOBSTER OR SCORPION? I HAD NOT SEEN THAT BEFORE. I HAVENT SEEN ONE WITH A STORK FOR FERTILITY YET Attached Images

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Sirek, i photo shopped a little of the detail into your shot for better reference. Attached Images

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9th February 2011, 08:55 PM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Just a couple of zoological notes: --Hummingbirds are strictly new world. The Indonesian equivalents are sunbirds. The other, more interesting question is why no one mentions hornbills in this context. The ones posted by Vandoo, VVV, and Sajen certainly look like hornbills to me. Best, F

10th February 2011, 09:10 AM	#8
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Indeed, a Bugis blade IMHO. The fittings look post-WW2 to me. To me the Bugis blade and fittings with Bali influence makes an origin from Lombok quite probable (with a more recent Madura composite being the other possibility); the non-traditional motifs may make it difficult to prove it one way or the other though. Regards, Kai