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25th January 2011, 12:20 AM
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V ery B eautiful B oth : )
I think the latin motto roughly translates into "Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad" M Last edited by celtan; 25th January 2011 at 01:49 AM. |
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25th January 2011, 07:44 AM
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Here are a couple of pictures of the text. I have "hardened" the pictures slightly.
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25th January 2011, 02:18 PM
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Aghh... it's so beautiful it makes me salivate...
Now we have: "Good is [so] for [those] Good and Bad, Bad (Evil?) is neither for [those] Good or Bad" " Fight for Fatherland, Altars (God) and Hearth (Home)" Reminds me of the spanish military motto "Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey" (For God, Fatherland and King) Good reasons to rot under 6 feet of soil and push up lilies... 
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25th January 2011, 06:33 PM
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The PUGNO PRO PATRIA legend was a 'fashionable' patriotic motto in use in the 16th-17th century in several European countries.
A pity this is not enough to figure out the origin of this magnificent plug bayonet  .Let's see if someone pops up with positive data. No ideas about the left hand dagger, Gentlemen? No close up pictures available, Trond ? 
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25th January 2011, 08:54 PM
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The speck on the cross guard seems to be - a speck... and no stamp.
 BTW How does one edit the signature on this forum. Trond |
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25th January 2011, 09:52 PM
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26th January 2011, 01:04 AM
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Hi Trond,
Based on the grounds of Celtan's and 'Nando's brilliant inputs, I just wish to provide my opinion on dating these two items. The plug bayonet can be safely dated to ca. 1700-1720 as it is already brass mounted instead of iron, and the quillon finials are no longer shaped as turnscrew and hammer for the barrel pins. The blade is recycled from a 16th c. sword and cut down respectively to dagger size. The left hand dagger is of ca. 1580-90's date. Both are preserved in optimum condition. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 26th January 2011 at 04:02 PM. |
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