Spanish ?? I.D. Help Needed

laEspadaAncha · 7th January 2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Late 18thc spanish small sword.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

... with an earlier blade and a later scabbard

What they said.

Might also add that based on similar examples handled by a friend, your example is of likely (Latin American) Spanish Colonial origin.

celtan · 8th January 2011, 05:42 AM

Hey! Just noticed the first pic is as lateral view as can be, the pas dáne IS functional, ergo, the sword is pre-1770.

The cast grip look very similar to several from the 1720-1780 as appear in Neuman's "Swords from the American Revolution".

LBNL, in Wither's book, there appears one English sword with several similarities, dating to the 1650s.

Sadly, no smallsword I have seen so far shows an identical guard . OTOH, it is similarly shaped to the Spanish M1720, although smaller.

To me, everything says 18th C.

BR, M

M ELEY · 9th January 2011, 06:21 AM

[QUOTE=celtan]
Sadly, no smallsword I have seen so far shows an identical guard . OTOH, it is similarly shaped to the Spanish M1720, although smaller.

These shell guards are more common on Spanish colonial bilbo types in the New World. We see them on that Brazilian cutlass we've discussed before, complete with striations. Maybe not an identical guard on a smallsword, per say, but bilobate guards on smallswords are encountered. Beautiful piece, BTW. Screams nautical/pirate/Caribbean-

Here's the old link with the Brazilian shell cutlass-
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=pirate+swords

M ELEY · 9th January 2011, 06:44 AM

Well, that didn't work. Anyway, it's under the past post of "Pirate swords and weapons 2".

9th January 2011, 06:21 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	[QUOTE=celtan] Sadly, no smallsword I have seen so far shows an identical guard . OTOH, it is similarly shaped to the Spanish M1720, although smaller. These shell guards are more common on Spanish colonial bilbo types in the New World. We see them on that Brazilian cutlass we've discussed before, complete with striations. Maybe not an identical guard on a smallsword, per say, but bilobate guards on smallswords are encountered. Beautiful piece, BTW. Screams nautical/pirate/Caribbean- Here's the old link with the Brazilian shell cutlass- http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=pirate+swords Last edited by M ELEY; 9th January 2011 at 06:37 AM.

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8th January 2011, 05:42 AM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hey! Just noticed the first pic is as lateral view as can be, the pas dáne IS functional, ergo, the sword is pre-1770. The cast grip look very similar to several from the 1720-1780 as appear in Neuman's "Swords from the American Revolution". LBNL, in Wither's book, there appears one English sword with several similarities, dating to the 1650s. Sadly, no smallsword I have seen so far shows an identical guard . OTOH, it is similarly shaped to the Spanish M1720, although smaller. To me, everything says 18th C. BR, M

9th January 2011, 06:44 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	Well, that didn't work. Anyway, it's under the past post of "Pirate swords and weapons 2".