13th century helmet from museum

[M ELEY]

Wow, Cornelis, great find! It's always amazing when another example of a questioned item turns up in a noted collection. Good show! I had followed this thread for awhile and its nice to see some closure.

[Matchlock]

Perfect, Cornelis,

I cannot believe that I overlooked that fine sample.

Once more posted here for easy comparison - nothing I guess can be brought forward against Cesare's helmet now (not disregarding the question how both breathing and seeing might have possibly worked with such a device ...)

Thank you and best,
Michael

[cornelistromp]

Hi,

I overlooked it myself too Iam much more at home in medieval swords.
the more literature you have the less you can find back.

luckily people with greater knowledge than me in armor found the publication.

for me it was clear that it is a helmet, but unfortunately I could not date it, I still can not. (around 1300 is probably right)


best,

[Matchlock]

I share your dating of around 1300!

Thanks for the additional scans.

Best,
Michael

[mrwizard]

Hmm, i don't understand why everyone is so exicted about the new pictures...

The picture cornelistomp posted is not that of another specimen but (as he wrote himself) of the very same helmet before restoration.

Best Regards,
Thilo

[Matchlock]

That says it all, Thilo,

I seemingly cannot read properly.

So back to square one: Cesare's helmet to me remains as doubtful as always.

Thanks for enlightening us,
and best,
Michael