Help needed with burgonet

[Ron Anderson]

Hi Michael

Thanks for that. I agree with your assessment of the style. The portraits do have that look.

Italian is an option. Having said that, it does not to me look like what is generally described as the pisan style. And I have seen French helmets that appear to closer to this form.

But I could be wrong. I haven't looked at enough of this sort of engraving to have a reliable opinion.

I took a good look at the helmet and it has genuine age. There are remnants of leather at the base of the skull. These are so old they have virtually turned to charcoal. There is pitting on the inside, which may or made be concealing an armourer's mark, which I haven't yet found.

Not a Victorian copy, of that I'm sure. But I'm not if this 17th century or earlier.

[Ron Anderson]

Hi Michael

It is interesting you call it a morion. It is more burgonet, I think, in form. However, perhaps it could accurately be called a morion-burgonet. This is a phrase that is used to describe similar sorts of helmets - parade-type burgonets.

[Matchlock]

Hi Ron,

I called it a morion because this is the apt German word and, in the last years, also seems have been preferred by English sales houses, whereas burgonet is more confined to what we call a Sturmhaube.

Sorry, I forgot to add that it should be closely dated aroud 1580, in spite of the fact that the patterns of the etching are of course older.

Best,
Michael

[Atlantia]

I guess I was one of the ba-zillion people watching this on eBay.
Lovely item. I'm certainly no expert on these, so cant add much. I couldn't tell from the pics if it was period or a viccy copy.
But it's very beautiful, the quality is lovely.
You've got deep pockets bro!

And surely now a picture of you wearing it?

[celtan]

Beautiful. Congrats!
Looks Spanish to me.
Best.
M

Originally Posted by Atlantia

I guess I was one of the ba-zillion people watching this on eBay.
Lovely item. I'm certainly no expert on these, so cant add much. I couldn't tell from the pics if it was period or a viccy copy.
But it's very beautiful, the quality is lovely.
You've got deep pockets bro!

And surely now a picture of you wearing it?

[Ron Anderson]

Hi Michael

Thanks for your insights on this. That's a big help.

Hi Atlantia

Yes, it's hard discerning what's a copy and what isn't. I concluded the quality was too fine to be a copy. But of course you get some very fine copies. However, in the hand it is very clear it's not 19th century. It is a good deal older than that. It even smells 16th century.

About those deep pockets. Truth is, I put a high bid in not expecting anybody to go anywhere near that price and, unfortunately, someone was prepared to pay about 1 dollar less than me!

But I'm glad I paid it. I think it's worth the sum, easily. It is without question the best item in my collection.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Ron Anderson

Hi Michael

Thanks for your insights on this. That's a big help.

Hi Atlantia

Yes, it's hard discerning what's a copy and what isn't. I concluded the quality was too fine to be a copy. But of course you get some very fine copies. However, in the hand it is very clear it's not 19th century. It is a good deal older than that. It even smells 16th century.

About those deep pockets. Truth is, I put a high bid in not expecting anybody to go anywhere near that price and, unfortunately, someone was prepared to pay about 1 dollar less than me!

But I'm glad I paid it. I think it's worth the sum, easily. It is without question the best item in my collection.

Well mate, I think it looks fabulous!
Some pics of it one display in your collection perhaps?
If you arent going to model it for us?

As for the bidding, well its heartbreaking to think you lost it by a dollar but would have gone a little higher, so well done for getting the bid right