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Old 6th October 2010, 03:37 PM   #1
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The sheath looks N. Peninsula, though the silver works are not so clear. I don't think there is a 'typical' Malay motif?

The hilt and pendoko are Sulawesi in style. blade could be Straits Bugis.

Hi Kai Wee,

thank's for comment. You confirm the the comment from Penangsang about hilt and pendokok, so I have to change both by time when I will find something more adequate.
I don't know if you know the book "The Invincible Krises 2". There is shown at page 49 a Peninsula keris which have a pendok with nearly the same motif. The author write that this shows the peony flower (queen of flower) and that this shall show a chinese influence. I have no proof if this is correct.

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Could the sampir be a later replacement? The fit of the pendok at the bae of the crosspiece seems a bit weird to me...

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Hi Kai,

possible but I don't think so. I received the sheath like this and have opened all parts of the pendok to clean all parts separately and the patination shows that the the parts have been long together like this. The top part of the "pendok" is fixed with a small nail in the back.

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Old 8th October 2010, 07:22 AM   #4
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Hello Detlef,

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possible but I don't think so. I received the sheath like this and have opened all parts of the pendok to clean all parts separately and the patination shows that the the parts have been long together like this.
Great, that's what close first-hand examination is good for...

Did you possibly took any pics? It's always interesting to see hidden details! (Can give valuable clues to crafting methods, etc.)

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Great, that's what close first-hand examination is good for...

Did you possibly took any pics? It's always interesting to see hidden details! (Can give valuable clues to crafting methods, etc.)

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Hello Kai,

sorry, no pictures have been taken to this time. About the crafting methods: The sampir is mounted like usuable together with the gandar. The embossing work is very well crafted in my eyes (see picture) and I think that the "pendok" parts are worked from thick silver plated brass like to seen at the second picture. At this picture (the upper part of the "pendok" from the back) is a further arabic writing but hardly readable.

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Hello Detlef,

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At this picture (the upper part of the "pendok" from the back) is a further arabic writing but hardly readable.
Try a paper rubbing - this may show the writing better than a pic.

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Try a paper rubbing - this may show the writing better than a pic.

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Hello Kai,

again a good hint, will try it the next days.

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