Philippine weapons in Spanish museums

migueldiaz · 28th September 2010, 07:44 PM

Battara, thanks.

Vandoo, when I was looking at those clubs in the various museums I visited, I actually thought of you, that those clubs are your cup of tea

On whether there's info on their books, unfortunately there's none.

celtan · 29th September 2010, 03:30 PM

Hola L.,

Did you happen to take pictures of the Spanish weapons in these museums, specially swords and daggers?

Saludos

Manuel

migueldiaz · 30th September 2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by celtan

Did you happen to take pictures of the Spanish weapons in these museums, specially swords and daggers?

Hola, Manuel! Not much, as I there were a lot of items, and I focused on Phil. weapons.

Below are pics of some of those few ones I was able to take. Regards.

Marc · 30th September 2010, 09:17 AM

These are from the Museo Naval, if I'm not mistaken. Spanish regulation (or at least Navy-used) Navy weapons.
There's a catalogue of the bladed weapons of the Museo Naval, but it excludes all the ethnographic section. It's in Spanish, also.

migueldiaz · 30th September 2010, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc

These are from the Museo Naval, if I'm not mistaken. Spanish regulation (or at least Navy-used) Navy weapons.
There's a catalogue of the bladed weapons of the Museo Naval, but it excludes all the ethnographic section. It's in Spanish, also.

Marc, thanks. Yes they are from Museo Naval.

On another matter, Vandoo was inquiring earlier whether war clubs were used in Philippines. At the storage of Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, I saw a club which was reportedly collected in the country in the 19th century.

But it still needs to be verified whether what's written on the club's handle really pertains to the name of the club and a place in Philippines.

migueldiaz · 30th September 2010, 08:57 PM

Another interesting piece I saw at the storage of Victor Balaguer museum is a barung from a juramentado.

Maybe our friends from Spain or South America can provide us with the translation of the text (and from there we can all speculate why the juramentados attacked the Chinese which were long-time friends of the Moros, as they have been co-existing for so long).

Marc · 1st October 2010, 04:07 PM

Let's give it a try. It reads (I think):

“Perteneció a uno de los tres juramentados que entraron en la casa del S(?)ultán Harun (16 Agosto 1888*). Mataron a un moro y a tres chinos e hirieron a siete de éstos”

Which would roughly translate as:

“It belonged to one of the three juramentados who broke in the house of S(?)ultan Harun (16th of August 1888*). They killed a Moro and three Chinese, and wounded seven more of the latter”

I hope this helps.

*It could also be 1898/1889/1899, but I think the year given, 1888, is the most probable option, followed closely by 1898.

celtan · 3rd October 2010, 01:18 AM

Pretties!

All from the mid-late 19th C. Own several of these.

Thanks L !

: )

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Hola, Manuel! Not much, as I there were a lot of items, and I focused on Phil. weapons.

Below are pics of some of those few ones I was able to take. Regards.

migueldiaz · 3rd October 2010, 10:01 PM

Marc, muchas gracias!

Gav, glad I can contribute to the body of knowledge. But the real thanks should go to the subject museums because they are very generous and helpful.

Vandoo, thanks for those insights.

Reichsritter, your expertise in Moro genealogies among others is surely well appreciated.

Manuel, the pics below are from the Victor Balaguer museum. The weapons sit side by side with the cabinets containing Filipino weapons. Would they be Spanish?

Thanks again to all.

celtan · 23rd October 2010, 04:27 PM

Yes, they are!

: ) : ) : )

Pretties!

Gracias L

M

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Manuel, the pics below are from the Victor Balaguer museum. The weapons sit side by side with the cabinets containing Filipino weapons. Would they be Spanish?

Thanks again to all.

Marc · 25th October 2010, 01:15 PM

Well... Spanish, potentially Spanish or Spanish colonial, yes, I agree with Manuel.
The axe is probably the most contentious one, and the dagger is a figurative 19th c. exemplar, generically "European".
Can't blame the people at the museum for not being more specific, they are probably doing their best, and this is, after all, a specialized knowledge.

29th September 2010, 03:30 PM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hola L., Did you happen to take pictures of the Spanish weapons in these museums, specially swords and daggers? Saludos Manuel Last edited by celtan; 29th September 2010 at 03:43 PM.

30th September 2010, 08:57 PM	#6
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Another interesting piece I saw at the storage of Victor Balaguer museum is a barung from a juramentado. Maybe our friends from Spain or South America can provide us with the translation of the text (and from there we can all speculate why the juramentados attacked the Chinese which were long-time friends of the Moros, as they have been co-existing for so long). Attached Images

3rd October 2010, 10:01 PM	#9
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Marc, muchas gracias! Gav, glad I can contribute to the body of knowledge. But the real thanks should go to the subject museums because they are very generous and helpful. Vandoo, thanks for those insights. Reichsritter, your expertise in Moro genealogies among others is surely well appreciated. Manuel, the pics below are from the Victor Balaguer museum. The weapons sit side by side with the cabinets containing Filipino weapons. Would they be Spanish? Thanks again to all. Attached Images

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28th September 2010, 07:44 PM	#1
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Battara, thanks. Vandoo, when I was looking at those clubs in the various museums I visited, I actually thought of you, that those clubs are your cup of tea On whether there's info on their books, unfortunately there's none.

30th September 2010, 09:17 AM	#4
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	These are from the Museo Naval, if I'm not mistaken. Spanish regulation (or at least Navy-used) Navy weapons. There's a catalogue of the bladed weapons of the Museo Naval, but it excludes all the ethnographic section. It's in Spanish, also.

1st October 2010, 04:07 PM	#7
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	Let's give it a try. It reads (I think): “Perteneció a uno de los tres juramentados que entraron en la casa del S(?)ultán Harun (16 Agosto 1888). Mataron a un moro y a tres chinos e hirieron a siete de éstos” Which would roughly translate as: “It belonged to one of the three juramentados* who broke in the house of S(?)ultan Harun (16th of August 1888). They killed a Moro* and three Chinese, and wounded seven more of the latter” I hope this helps. *It could also be 1898/1889/1899, but I think the year given, 1888, is the most probable option, followed closely by 1898.

25th October 2010, 01:15 PM	#11
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	Well... Spanish, potentially Spanish or Spanish colonial, yes, I agree with Manuel. The axe is probably the most contentious one, and the dagger is a figurative 19th c. exemplar, generically "European". Can't blame the people at the museum for not being more specific, they are probably doing their best, and this is, after all, a specialized knowledge.