Moro Spear

Rick · 27th September 2010, 01:14 AM

" Indeed, indeed Rick, though it begs me to ask, other than staged fighting such as this, would a warrior have a weapon of choice and use it to the death were applicable, I only ask as there have been numerous documented accounts of the barong and keris single handedly used to dispatch US soldiers in the day. The dramatic portrayals to not mention that they swapped and changed weapons in life and death combat.....they Moro warrior simply had a weapon of choice, faced off and that was that???"

I think we can all agree that this was a weapon not meant to be thrown once and picked up after the fight .

Except ...
During the attacks on the cottas all manner of weapons were hurled at the American forces as they closed in .
I have a hard time accepting that spears like these were thrown away once unless in desperation .

One Warrior in this picture carries a Kris .

Battara · 27th September 2010, 03:36 AM

I would certainly wonder if this were the reason for so many different kinds of butts (

).

Lee · 27th September 2010, 11:15 AM

This is an amazing spear, surely the largest and longest I have seen and a fantastic find - and so wonderfully complete!

I will be interested to learn if the inscription can be deciphered. Hopefully there is some useful information there, but I had the thought - without the expertise to back it up - that these engravings might possibly also be 'nonsense' Arabic such as was sometimes seen in European Renaissance arms.

David · 27th September 2010, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

This is an amazing spear, surely the largest and longest I have seen and a fantastic find - and so wonderfully complete!

I will be interested to learn if the inscription can be deciphered. Hopefully there is some useful information there, but I had the thought - without the expertise to back it up - that these engravings might possibly also be 'nonsense' Arabic such as was sometimes seen in European Renaissance arms.

Well i think that there is a good chance that these markings are talismanic and magickal in intention. It may not be Arabic letters at all. If it is it certainly would be in the Arabic language. If it appears nonsensical to us it won't be because it is nonsense.

Battara · 27th September 2010, 11:46 PM

Yeah, I kind of agree. Seen a lot of talismanic "Arabic" from Indonesia and Philippines. This does not look like true Arabic IMHO, but I may be wrong (my Arabic is nearly non-existent).

Bill M · 30th September 2010, 06:10 AM

One of my Moro spears
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=Moro+Spear

and a Mandaya
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=mandaya

Gavin Nugent · 20th October 2010, 09:22 AM

The spear arrived today and it is a beautiful piece in the hand and can certainly be applied in the martial manner of Chinese spears even if the head maybe considered a little heavy.
The twist core section is hollow ground/forged and there is a very subtle medial ridge within this section so can it be considered a Budiak???

Images and further detail in a few weeks.

Nice spears Bill.

Gav

27th September 2010, 01:14 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	" Indeed, indeed Rick, though it begs me to ask, other than staged fighting such as this, would a warrior have a weapon of choice and use it to the death were applicable, I only ask as there have been numerous documented accounts of the barong and keris single handedly used to dispatch US soldiers in the day. The dramatic portrayals to not mention that they swapped and changed weapons in life and death combat.....they Moro warrior simply had a weapon of choice, faced off and that was that???" I think we can all agree that this was a weapon not meant to be thrown once and picked up after the fight . Except ... During the attacks on the cottas all manner of weapons were hurled at the American forces as they closed in . I have a hard time accepting that spears like these were thrown away once unless in desperation . One Warrior in this picture carries a Kris . Attached Images

20th October 2010, 09:22 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Nice The spear arrived today and it is a beautiful piece in the hand and can certainly be applied in the martial manner of Chinese spears even if the head maybe considered a little heavy. The twist core section is hollow ground/forged and there is a very subtle medial ridge within this section so can it be considered a Budiak??? Images and further detail in a few weeks. Nice spears Bill. Gav

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27th September 2010, 03:36 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I would certainly wonder if this were the reason for so many different kinds of butts ( ).

27th September 2010, 11:15 AM	#3
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 932	This is an amazing spear, surely the largest and longest I have seen and a fantastic find - and so wonderfully complete! I will be interested to learn if the inscription can be deciphered. Hopefully there is some useful information there, but I had the thought - without the expertise to back it up - that these engravings might possibly also be 'nonsense' Arabic such as was sometimes seen in European Renaissance arms.

27th September 2010, 11:46 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Yeah, I kind of agree. Seen a lot of talismanic "Arabic" from Indonesia and Philippines. This does not look like true Arabic IMHO, but I may be wrong (my Arabic is nearly non-existent).

30th September 2010, 06:10 AM	#6
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	One of my Moro spears http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=Moro+Spear and a Mandaya http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=mandaya