Antique Jade Sword

yuanzhumin · 10th June 2010, 11:57 PM

The certificate is exactly saying what it is :
‘This sword is … from the xxxx dynasty and dating from xxxx’’
There is no dynasty and no datation mentioned.
Only it is said it is older than 100 years old. But here is the trick, and the certificate is exactly explaining what it means :
“ the jade coral and turquoise are over 100 years older ‘’
Nobody will dare doubt that stones are older than 100 years old. Perfectly true.
Well, authentic certificate. The thing is what to understand when reading it.
Yes, this is an authentic ‘antique’ sword, ‘antique’ to be understood as ‘old”. This sword was certainly old when it was sold (may be few years or few months old in the 1970s). It is now even older, a quarter of century after ! There is no patina, no sign of use and the artwork is quite crude, but I can now certify that this sword is from the last century !

asomotif · 11th June 2010, 12:29 AM

Still, a picture of the blade would be interesting to see

cmario88 · 12th June 2010, 05:53 AM

Here are the photos of blade and suspensions as requested. I'm no pro but blade looks pretty bad, any tips on caring or restoring would appreciated.

Tim Simmons · 13th June 2010, 07:12 PM

What ever that is on the blade you really should clean it off with some steel wool and oil. Where it is very dark one would expect to see considerable pitting. Then we need to see it again.

Atlantia · 13th June 2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

What ever that is on the blade you really should clean it off with some steel wool and oil. Where it is very dark one would expect to see considerable pitting. Then we need to see it again.

LOL, should just mention that its best to use the really fine steel wool if you are going to

That '00' painters grade stuff.
Not brillo pads

I do think its a very attractive sword BTW Mario.
And welcome to the forums of course

cmario88 · 15th June 2010, 07:22 PM

Until I find out more about this sword cleaning is out of the question, especially by me. Tim Simmons the dark areas are rather deeply pitted IMO anyway. Atlanta, Thank you, someone went to a lot of trouble to make this and I agree it is beautiful. The materials used such as the jade pieces are authentic, for example the jade on the handle has been describe by 2 experts as coming from ancient Neolithic times possibly the Shang Dynasty (1766-1122 B.C.), the Dragon center piece is white Hetian Jade which to my understanding has become exceeding rare because of its depletion. I was also told because of the turquoise and coral pieces its most probable place of origin or manufacturing would be in Tibet, since it is not commonly used in China. As you can see I am still doing research and hope in time will get a better understanding of what I have. Looking forward to more input and truly appreciate the replies so far. I’m really searching for answers and whether they are bad or good I’m learning much about history, jade, swords, etc. Bottom line I’m having a lot of fun, which is after all why we are all here. If more pictures are needed let me know. Again Thanks

Bryan.H · 19th June 2010, 05:31 PM

What's with the stain/ discolouration on the blade? This looks chemically treated somehow to me. With so many 'antique' swords being made in Guandong on a daily basis and sold to unsuspecting round-eyes, it's difficult not to be sceptical about edged weapons coming out of China.

12th June 2010, 05:53 AM	#3
cmario88 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8	Photos of blade and suspensions Here are the photos of blade and suspensions as requested. I'm no pro but blade looks pretty bad, any tips on caring or restoring would appreciated. Attached Images

15th June 2010, 07:22 PM	#6
cmario88 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 8	More info. Jade Sword Until I find out more about this sword cleaning is out of the question, especially by me. Tim Simmons the dark areas are rather deeply pitted IMO anyway. Atlanta, Thank you, someone went to a lot of trouble to make this and I agree it is beautiful. The materials used such as the jade pieces are authentic, for example the jade on the handle has been describe by 2 experts as coming from ancient Neolithic times possibly the Shang Dynasty (1766-1122 B.C.), the Dragon center piece is white Hetian Jade which to my understanding has become exceeding rare because of its depletion. I was also told because of the turquoise and coral pieces its most probable place of origin or manufacturing would be in Tibet, since it is not commonly used in China. As you can see I am still doing research and hope in time will get a better understanding of what I have. Looking forward to more input and truly appreciate the replies so far. I’m really searching for answers and whether they are bad or good I’m learning much about history, jade, swords, etc. Bottom line I’m having a lot of fun, which is after all why we are all here. If more pictures are needed let me know. Again Thanks

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10th June 2010, 11:57 PM	#1
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	The certificate is exactly saying what it is : ‘This sword is … from the xxxx dynasty and dating from xxxx’’ There is no dynasty and no datation mentioned. Only it is said it is older than 100 years old. But here is the trick, and the certificate is exactly explaining what it means : “ the jade coral and turquoise are over 100 years older ‘’ Nobody will dare doubt that stones are older than 100 years old. Perfectly true. Well, authentic certificate. The thing is what to understand when reading it. Yes, this is an authentic ‘antique’ sword, ‘antique’ to be understood as ‘old”. This sword was certainly old when it was sold (may be few years or few months old in the 1970s). It is now even older, a quarter of century after ! There is no patina, no sign of use and the artwork is quite crude, but I can now certify that this sword is from the last century !

11th June 2010, 12:29 AM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Still, a picture of the blade would be interesting to see

13th June 2010, 07:12 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,861	What ever that is on the blade you really should clean it off with some steel wool and oil. Where it is very dark one would expect to see considerable pitting. Then we need to see it again.

19th June 2010, 05:31 PM	#7
Bryan.H Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 51	What's with the stain/ discolouration on the blade? This looks chemically treated somehow to me. With so many 'antique' swords being made in Guandong on a daily basis and sold to unsuspecting round-eyes, it's difficult not to be sceptical about edged weapons coming out of China.