Persian Kard Dagger....Help With Translation Please!

ALEX · 5th June 2010, 04:21 PM

Charles, the writing/script is quite common on high quality chiselled Persian kards of Safavid and Qajar periods. Most, if not all, do have it. Yours is the nice one, but I have some minor criticism:-). The chiselling on the blade, bolsters and tangband is cruder comparing to a split-palmette at the base of the central ridge at the spine. It does resemble Indian floral pattern more than the Persian, especially on the flowers. I do not think it was done by the same hand, or potentially in the same period. Below are some examples of good quality 18-19th C. chiselling, with script:-), on Persian kards.

CharlesS · 5th June 2010, 05:57 PM

Thanks for the insight Alex. I have no way of knowing about dating the chieselling, but I would certainly agree that the motifs are more Indian, and I should have probably more aptly called this an Indo-Persian kard at the very least.

BTW, your example is gorgeous!

CharlesS · 10th June 2010, 12:37 AM

Can no one help with translation here?

Where's Dom!

ward · 10th June 2010, 10:59 PM

[QUOTE=CharlesS]Can no one help with translation here?

The left side says Assistance from Allah and Victroy Near the right side mentiones Allah Ali but can't read it all

CharlesS · 11th June 2010, 12:30 AM

THANKS Ward!

Battara · 11th June 2010, 02:15 AM

Wait........I........see.............yes - "Made in China"

Hope this helps.

Philip · 11th June 2010, 06:34 AM

As Ward noted the right side is partly illegible, but from what's there, I can make out what might well be "Kalb 'Ali", with "Allah" above it.

5th June 2010, 04:21 PM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Charles, the writing/script is quite common on high quality chiselled Persian kards of Safavid and Qajar periods. Most, if not all, do have it. Yours is the nice one, but I have some minor criticism:-). The chiselling on the blade, bolsters and tangband is cruder comparing to a split-palmette at the base of the central ridge at the spine. It does resemble Indian floral pattern more than the Persian, especially on the flowers. I do not think it was done by the same hand, or potentially in the same period. Below are some examples of good quality 18-19th C. chiselling, with script:-), on Persian kards. Attached Images

5th June 2010, 05:57 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks for the insight Alex. I have no way of knowing about dating the chieselling, but I would certainly agree that the motifs are more Indian, and I should have probably more aptly called this an Indo-Persian kard at the very least. BTW, your example is gorgeous! Last edited by CharlesS; 5th June 2010 at 09:19 PM.

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10th June 2010, 12:37 AM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Can no one help with translation here? Where's Dom!

10th June 2010, 10:59 PM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	[QUOTE=CharlesS]Can no one help with translation here? The left side says Assistance from Allah and Victroy Near the right side mentiones Allah Ali but can't read it all

11th June 2010, 12:30 AM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	THANKS Ward!

11th June 2010, 02:15 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,401	Wait........I........see.............yes - "Made in China" Hope this helps.

11th June 2010, 06:34 AM	#7
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	As Ward noted the right side is partly illegible, but from what's there, I can make out what might well be "Kalb 'Ali", with "Allah" above it.