Keris and Rembrandt

David · 15th April 2010, 06:35 PM

Good question Rick. It is, after all, the blade that does the "evil" deed of blinding him.
I don't know if this will look any clearer, but i found this better than average version for clarity and blew it up as much as i dared. I am sure that the original color is off, but hopefully it will clearly show this to be a keris.

ganjawulung · 15th April 2010, 07:04 PM

Was the sheath Banten "sandang walikat"? If yes, then Cirebonese "buta hilt" would match with Bantenese walikat.... Just guessing. For comparison, (picture) is Bantenese warangka but not sandang walikat. Banten warangka, could seem as if symetrical, although the blade inside doesn't need to be symetrical.

Just one cent opinion...

GANJAWULUNG

Gustav · 15th April 2010, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Was the sheath Banten "sandang walikat"? If yes, then Cirebonese "buta hilt" would match with Bantenese walikat.... Just guessing. For comparison, (picture) is Bantenese warangka but not sandang walikat. Banten warangka, could seem as if symetrical, although the blade inside doesn't need to be symetrical.

Just one cent opinion...

GANJAWULUNG

The sheath on the picture is not sandang walikat (nobody has said that), but an old (probably broken) ladrang form, seen also in old european collections. It is very close to the Banten wrongko you posted, all preserved examples are Gandar Iras.

asomotif · 15th April 2010, 08:54 PM

Here is a picture of his "Kunstcaemer"

At this moment I have no Idea if the items on display are genuinely from rembrandts time...

David · 15th April 2010, 09:49 PM

Hmmm....well i do see a keris on the wall in the middle next to a bust. It would be cool if this stuff actually was his personal affects.

Gustav · 15th April 2010, 10:22 PM

Two days before Rembrandt's death he was visited by genealogist Pieter van Brederode, who has made a record of antiquities and curiosa in his collection. So, despite his very bad financial situation, Rembrandt should have possessed (after many auctions he was forced to make) some objects till death.

There surely will be some information in museum about his estate. The diaries of Pieter van Brederode are also published, 2006. But I think, it's nearly impossible there would be some original objects from Rembrandt's household or collections.

A. G. Maisey · 16th April 2010, 12:59 AM

This is alike to failing to see a forest because the trees got in the way.

I can see that keris clearly and in detail now.

Last night I looked again and again and focussed intently on the hand.

I did not see that the mailed hand was grasping the blade, I sub-consciously had that hand gripping the hilt.

Helps to look at things when you haven't just finished 12 hours in front of a computer screen.

15th April 2010, 06:35 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Good question Rick. It is, after all, the blade that does the "evil" deed of blinding him. I don't know if this will look any clearer, but i found this better than average version for clarity and blew it up as much as i dared. I am sure that the original color is off, but hopefully it will clearly show this to be a keris. Attached Images

15th April 2010, 07:04 PM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	BANTEN sheath? Was the sheath Banten "sandang walikat"? If yes, then Cirebonese "buta hilt" would match with Bantenese walikat.... Just guessing. For comparison, (picture) is Bantenese warangka but not sandang walikat. Banten warangka, could seem as if symetrical, although the blade inside doesn't need to be symetrical. Just one cent opinion... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

15th April 2010, 08:54 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	Here is a picture of his "Kunstcaemer" At this moment I have no Idea if the items on display are genuinely from rembrandts time... Attached Images

15th April 2010, 10:22 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Two days before Rembrandt's death he was visited by genealogist Pieter van Brederode, who has made a record of antiquities and curiosa in his collection. So, despite his very bad financial situation, Rembrandt should have possessed (after many auctions he was forced to make) some objects till death. There surely will be some information in museum about his estate. The diaries of Pieter van Brederode are also published, 2006. But I think, it's nearly impossible there would be some original objects from Rembrandt's household or collections. Last edited by Gustav; 16th April 2010 at 12:03 AM.

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15th April 2010, 09:49 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Hmmm....well i do see a keris on the wall in the middle next to a bust. It would be cool if this stuff actually was his personal affects.

16th April 2010, 12:59 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	This is alike to failing to see a forest because the trees got in the way. I can see that keris clearly and in detail now. Last night I looked again and again and focussed intently on the hand. I did not see that the mailed hand was grasping the blade, I sub-consciously had that hand gripping the hilt. Helps to look at things when you haven't just finished 12 hours in front of a computer screen.