Plz help with ID of 2 Daggers

erlikhan · 13th May 2005, 01:14 PM

the 2nd is from Turkey,and yes, early 20th c. They are called "saldirma" (translation can be "for offense") , or "Surmene" , after the town of Trabzon province in Black sea region, where they were most popular, in 20th c. But before that era, the model was widely used not restricted to any region, but whole Turkey and Balkans. I attach one's picture. The scabbard is not completely original, has changed some, but roughly ok. to give some idea. They were formed, two or three similar knives in sibgle scabbard. Older ones usually can have dragon on the tip of scabbard. I have seen one brass scabbard with three holes for knives, small like yours, even far smaller, classical dragon tip, found in a village tumulus from Seljuks ,13-14th c. in close past ,early 20th c., i think they were preferred by gangs,bandits, street fighters, with main advantages of lightness and ability to just wound someone instead of killing, so that you dont get sentenced.

13th May 2005, 01:14 PM	#7
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	the 2nd is from Turkey,and yes, early 20th c. They are called "saldirma" (translation can be "for offense") , or "Surmene" , after the town of Trabzon province in Black sea region, where they were most popular, in 20th c. But before that era, the model was widely used not restricted to any region, but whole Turkey and Balkans. I attach one's picture. The scabbard is not completely original, has changed some, but roughly ok. to give some idea. They were formed, two or three similar knives in sibgle scabbard. Older ones usually can have dragon on the tip of scabbard. I have seen one brass scabbard with three holes for knives, small like yours, even far smaller, classical dragon tip, found in a village tumulus from Seljuks ,13-14th c. in close past ,early 20th c., i think they were preferred by gangs,bandits, street fighters, with main advantages of lightness and ability to just wound someone instead of killing, so that you dont get sentenced. Attached Images Last edited by erlikhan; 13th May 2005 at 03:16 PM.