Pamor question

[Jeff Pringle]

your pamor is like this western damasc

Really? In what way? What similarities do you see?
Sachse's book is a great overview of patterned steel, he really did a great job of hitting most of the historical and cultural patterned steel touchstones.

couldn't one figure out pamor types by trying to produce them with polymer clays of contrasting colors?

Hey, if I wanted to be a ceramicist, I'd work with clay, alright?!?

I have used this method, but really, it's more fun to do it in steel.

"lar gangsir" (mole cricket's wing). Compare with the 2nd photo below. And not the "kupu tarung" (fighting butterflies)

Ganjawulung - it is hand-hammered, but interestingly, the first photo you posted looks to be made the same way (or rather, in a similar way - there is an additional operation going on in the kupu tarung, perhaps, but both are based on twisting twisted bars together, from the look of it) as my test piece, the second not. I definitely think forging in the double-fuller has confused matters, and will have to make up a bit of steel with more layers, and make it into a blade that is shaped in a more traditional keris way to get a clearer read on the pattern...
Thanks for all the input!!