Keris Tindih -- The Neutralizer

Raden Usman Djogja · 21st May 2007, 12:54 PM

Alan,

Yes, I agree with you that my "terminology" is incorrect if our point of view is the technical aspect. However, as I know "panthek" has two meanings. The first one is you have already elaborated.

The second one, "panthek" is either bamboo, wood or metal which is used for special purpose. Even, visually, it is a pin or PAKU (gold, silver or triple blended metals), if it is for spiritual purpose, people call it "panthek" or "susuk". It is called "susuk" when it is injected to human body (for example to control pegnacy in medical field or to make attractive in spiritual field).

I hope my explanation will clearer my point of view, regarding with a word "panthek". Other example is Meneng and Lerem in Javanese language. Both words mean the state of motionless. However, javanese people tend to interpret "Meneng" different from "Lerem". Meneng is total motionless (physical and emotional). Lerem is partial motionless. During physical motionless, their emotional aspects (mind and heart) are still working. So, usually we face the situation whenever there are young people brawled, the elder person will say "lerem please" instead of "meneng please". So, in certain situation, there is a person looking for "a special nail" and metioning for "manthek". He should use it for spiritual purpose.

Okay, I do not want to defend my statement further. What I want is to follow where the river flows. As keris with luks, I want to "ngeluk" whenever there is a stone in front of my way. Instead of breaking stones, the final destination is to reach the ocean of wisdom.

21st May 2007, 12:54 PM	#6
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	Alan, Yes, I agree with you that my "terminology" is incorrect if our point of view is the technical aspect. However, as I know "panthek" has two meanings. The first one is you have already elaborated. The second one, "panthek" is either bamboo, wood or metal which is used for special purpose. Even, visually, it is a pin or PAKU (gold, silver or triple blended metals), if it is for spiritual purpose, people call it "panthek" or "susuk". It is called "susuk" when it is injected to human body (for example to control pegnacy in medical field or to make attractive in spiritual field). I hope my explanation will clearer my point of view, regarding with a word "panthek". Other example is Meneng and Lerem in Javanese language. Both words mean the state of motionless. However, javanese people tend to interpret "Meneng" different from "Lerem". Meneng is total motionless (physical and emotional). Lerem is partial motionless. During physical motionless, their emotional aspects (mind and heart) are still working. So, usually we face the situation whenever there are young people brawled, the elder person will say "lerem please" instead of "meneng please". So, in certain situation, there is a person looking for "a special nail" and metioning for "manthek". He should use it for spiritual purpose. Okay, I do not want to defend my statement further. What I want is to follow where the river flows. As keris with luks, I want to "ngeluk" whenever there is a stone in front of my way. Instead of breaking stones, the final destination is to reach the ocean of wisdom.