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|  5th April 2020, 09:45 PM | #12 | 
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			I'd give both as Surakarta, and both as 19th century. Athanase, if this wedung was mine I'd be using cold gun blue on it. Repeated applications will give a very deep blue, approaching black. It is even possible that there might be a metal treatment that will blacken it. Try sculptors supplies for a black treatment, and gun shops for the cold blue. | 
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