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 I believe the fellow who provided the information is from Java. I didn't want to pry, I don't know him that well. So it's a descriptive but somewhat ironic term? It brings to mind outsized o-Ken being called "oars" or "laundry poles" or things of that nature. Overall length is 24.5". Would that normally qualify?  | 
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