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|  20th May 2010, 02:39 PM | #8 | 
| Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur 
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			G'day Alan,  Thank you for an interesting explanation. What about kerises that are attributed as female or a patrem, if it have luk why do you think it still have odd numbered luks? Or is it a female keris or a patrem must be a straight one? Does a straight keris portrays both gender etc? | 
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