Post Your Latest Acquisition here... - Page 5

Bill M · 18th September 2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panday

Just wanted to share my newest acquisitions.

WOW!

Very nice. Beyond nice! Excellent! If you ever want an air-condtioned, humidity controlled environment to store the barongs, please let me know! Top dollar!

Is the MP-5 selective fire?

Lew · 18th September 2006, 04:50 PM

Panday

Now you know that your firearms are not period appropriate for your barongs you will have to do better

Lew

kino · 18th September 2006, 05:19 PM

WOW! Are those loaded with HYDRASHOCKS!

Ya got a FA kit for that SP? It's useless w/o one. Contact my homies from Carson if you need one

panday · 19th September 2006, 01:56 AM

Is the MP-5 selective fire?

Bill,
It's a simi-auto Cal. version.

nice! i was saving for the the one on the very top, lol, but at the rate i was going, i had 33 months to go. glad it went to you, tho...

Spunjer,
salamat D're

WOW! Are those loaded with HYDRASHOCKS! Ya got a FA kit for that SP? It's useless w/o one. Contact my homies from Carson if you need one

Kino,
just got it back last week from a friend of mine in No. Cal.

i dismantled the kit months ago, now i just need to find it so i can put it back. loaded w/ BLACK TALON

Now you know that your firearms are not period appropriate for your barongs you will have to do better

Lew,
Your absolutely right, i'll do better next time. just happy to have them back.

Here's a full house photo.
Thanks guys. enjoy

Lee · 20th September 2006, 10:00 AM

I never know what will catch my eye when I go to the giant flea market over in Brimfield, MA. Earlier this month, I brought this home. I do know what it is, now, at least generically. I'll pop in a link to a site about these things later, but solicit any opinions first.

Ian · 20th September 2006, 01:57 PM

Hi Lee.

Interesting looking small blade and handle. Seems to me it is a tool of some sort, rather than a weapon. A little like a farrier's knife for cleaning horse's hooves, but this looks too nice for such a mundane purpose.

My first thought was an old fleam to let blood from horses, people. A popular practice in the 19th C. Otherwise, I suppose it could be a wood working tool for carving or some other small knife purpose.

I don't think it is a Native American knife ("crooked knife"). It has a nice "folk" look to the hilt and the whipping on the handle does not strike me as Native American. Blade looks sturdy and forged.

Be interested to hear what others think.

Ian.

Lee · 22nd September 2006, 10:50 AM

Hi Ian,

I think that this actually is a "crooked knife" functionally as it clearly fits in the hand to be used as a single-handed draw knife. It has some age to it, but I would hesitate to put this particular example of the tool before the first half of the 20th century and I would similarly hestitate to identify this particular example's cultural origin.

A couple of good links I found to "crooked knives":

Mo-co-ta-gan: Crooked Knives
Mocotaugan: The Story and Art of the Crooked Knife

Tim Simmons · 22nd September 2006, 09:43 PM

I have seen a "crooked" knife in a local junk shop. I will see if it is still there in the morning and if cheap enough buy it to compare. It has an antler handle and no binding with absolutely no indication that it is not English. A rural or urban for all that matters, farriers search tool. I really know nothing about horses being more of a Townie.

Ian · 22nd September 2006, 10:36 PM

Lee:

It was the blade that put me off. I think of "crooked knives" as having more square-ended blades with a terminal hook. But I see from your referenced sites that not all blades have such an appearance.

It seems curious that this style is unknown to occur before the 19th C.

Ian.

Spunjer · 18th October 2006, 04:00 PM

never thought i get to see one of these in my collection, but i guess every now and then even the blind dog gets lucky. just got it yesterday. being beautified at the moment (pedicure, manicure,hot wax treatment...). will post better pics in the future. pic one by itself, pic two, the handle, and pic three compared with a barung for size comparison.

OAL= 24.5"
Blade= 18"
Blade thickness (by the hilt)=7/16"
Width at the widest point= 2.5"

pretty much the classic bangkung described on cato's book. banati handle with silver punto.

mross · 18th October 2006, 06:02 PM

Very nice. I would say that's a very lucky dog!

Battara · 18th October 2006, 08:05 PM

Congratulations! Nice puppies (woof!

).

The Double D · 18th October 2006, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

I never know what will catch my eye when I go to the giant flea market over in Brimfield, MA. Earlier this month, I brought this home. I do know what it is, now, at least generically. I'll pop in a link to a site about these things later, but solicit any opinions first.

Don't mean to be flip, but this looks like a table knife stuck in carved piece of wood.

kino · 20th October 2006, 01:06 AM

Hey Spunger, Post some photos after you clean it up. Good catch!

Spunjer · 20th October 2006, 02:36 AM

shoots, kino..
just got done etching the blade and the lamination is pretty cool! i dunno anything about different types, but the best i can describe this would be sandwiching metal sheets and shaping the blade from there. the other sundang i have that i think would have a similar pattern would be the garab i have. i'm enclosing a picture of the garab's lamination. will take pics of the bangkung's lamination tomorrow...

Spunjer · 20th October 2006, 03:45 PM

here's the blade. i believe it's the first picture where it looks as if the blade was used to block what appears to be an incoming blow, so much so that it made a dent and separated the lamination weld. i would say it's a battle scar. on the bottom picture, you could almost see the 'stepladder' (for a better lack of terms) lamination on the blade, left side...

Spunjer · 22nd October 2006, 04:15 PM

back to her glory days...

kino · 22nd October 2006, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

on the bottom picture, you could almost see the 'stepladder' (for a better lack of terms) lamination on the blade, left side...

Spunger, Good clean-up job. I think my lousy monitor doesn't show the pattern on the Bangkung. Too dark.

Here is my Bangkung. The silver Punto is a later replacement done by our own Battara, stand up B and wave your hand, so everyone can see you.

Ian · 22nd October 2006, 08:17 PM

Ron:

That's quite a dent. Possibly a strike from a bullet?

Ian.

Spunjer · 23rd October 2006, 06:43 AM

ian,

the distance of the dent is about a third of the total length from the tip, and the thickness at this point is still 5/16". needless to say, it's a solid, heavy blade. it would take a lot to create that dent. bullet grazing it is a strong possibililty.

kino,

wow, excellent piece you got there, brah! the naga hilt itself is unique, but another aspect that's interesting is where the blade connects to the handle, you know, the grills. pretty common on northern sundangs, but i've never seen that on moro weapons. btw, don't you have the shandigan bangkung as well?

Battara · 23rd October 2006, 09:33 PM

Kino,

I forgot all about that piece. Hope the drool stains don't show.

I liked working on that piece.

BTW - I waved but couldn't see anyone wave back.

Lew · 23rd October 2006, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Ron:

That's quite a dent. Possibly a strike from a bullet?

Ian.

Ian

That dent was more likely made by a parry from another weapon the chances that a bullet caused the damage is slim to none

You would have to shoot the back of the sword jjj-just right

.

Lew

Hrthuma ibn Marwan · 23rd October 2006, 10:37 PM

Hello all, I am new here

Some of my stuff:

Arabian Dagger:

Early 20th century Portoguese bayonet:

Ottoman sword, approximately 200ish years old:

I am just starting my collection of real antique weapons, as well as newly made replicas.

Ian · 24th October 2006, 04:47 AM

Welcome Hrthuma. Hope you enjoy your time here.

Ian.

Hrthuma ibn Marwan · 26th October 2006, 03:14 AM

Thanks Ian

And I will try to post a closer look to my blades. I might also get a new sword soon. And I think I might need some assistance identifying where and when it was used.

Thanks again

CollectingNewbie · 26th October 2006, 03:35 AM

Just got this Tulwar last week and The Indo Persian Axe? yesterday, Ill post better pics of the axe once I get it.

Hrthuma ibn Marwan · 26th October 2006, 03:48 AM

That Tulwar is pretty decent.
I have seen a tulwar in a shop(near where I live) but it looked very blunt and rusty. Yours look pretty cheerfull

CollectingNewbie · 26th October 2006, 04:00 AM

Thanks, its my first Tulwar and I think it was a great buy, just grabed it off ebay for $102.00. I dont know much about Tulwars but it was posted as an 18th century blade, its in excelent shape, and you can still very faintly see some of the artwork on the handle.

Hrthuma ibn Marwan · 28th October 2006, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CollectingNewbie

Thanks, its my first Tulwar and I think it was a great buy, just grabed it off ebay for $102.00. I dont know much about Tulwars but it was posted as an 18th century blade, its in excelent shape, and you can still very faintly see some of the artwork on the handle.

18th century Tulwar for $102? and a Tulwar in good shape? I dont know about the rest, but I think you are a lucky man

Congrats

Tim Simmons · 28th October 2006, 06:12 PM

I got this today to show with the horse knife Lee post at the top of the page.

18th September 2006, 04:50 PM	#122
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Panday Now you know that your firearms are not period appropriate for your barongs you will have to do better Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 18th September 2006 at 08:35 PM.

19th September 2006, 01:56 AM	#124
panday Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	Is the MP-5 selective fire? Bill, It's a simi-auto Cal. version. nice! i was saving for the the one on the very top, lol, but at the rate i was going, i had 33 months to go. glad it went to you, tho... Spunjer, salamat D're WOW! Are those loaded with HYDRASHOCKS! Ya got a FA kit for that SP? It's useless w/o one. Contact my homies from Carson if you need one Kino, just got it back last week from a friend of mine in No. Cal. i dismantled the kit months ago, now i just need to find it so i can put it back. loaded w/ BLACK TALON Now you know that your firearms are not period appropriate for your barongs you will have to do better Lew, Your absolutely right, i'll do better next time. just happy to have them back. Here's a full house photo. Thanks guys. enjoy Attached Images Last edited by panday; 19th September 2006 at 02:06 AM.

20th September 2006, 10:00 AM	#125
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	From the Brimfield, Mass. Flea Market this Fall I never know what will catch my eye when I go to the giant flea market over in Brimfield, MA. Earlier this month, I brought this home. I do know what it is, now, at least generically. I'll pop in a link to a site about these things later, but solicit any opinions first. Attached Images

18th October 2006, 04:00 PM	#130
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	The rare bangkung never thought i get to see one of these in my collection, but i guess every now and then even the blind dog gets lucky. just got it yesterday. being beautified at the moment (pedicure, manicure,hot wax treatment...). will post better pics in the future. pic one by itself, pic two, the handle, and pic three compared with a barung for size comparison. OAL= 24.5" Blade= 18" Blade thickness (by the hilt)=7/16" Width at the widest point= 2.5" pretty much the classic bangkung described on cato's book. banati handle with silver punto. Attached Images

20th October 2006, 02:36 AM	#135
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	shoots, kino.. just got done etching the blade and the lamination is pretty cool! i dunno anything about different types, but the best i can describe this would be sandwiching metal sheets and shaping the blade from there. the other sundang i have that i think would have a similar pattern would be the garab i have. i'm enclosing a picture of the garab's lamination. will take pics of the bangkung's lamination tomorrow... Attached Images

18th September 2006, 05:19 PM	#123
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	WOW! Are those loaded with HYDRASHOCKS! Ya got a FA kit for that SP? It's useless w/o one. Contact my homies from Carson if you need one

20th September 2006, 01:57 PM	#126
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Hi Lee. Interesting looking small blade and handle. Seems to me it is a tool of some sort, rather than a weapon. A little like a farrier's knife for cleaning horse's hooves, but this looks too nice for such a mundane purpose. My first thought was an old fleam to let blood from horses, people. A popular practice in the 19th C. Otherwise, I suppose it could be a wood working tool for carving or some other small knife purpose. I don't think it is a Native American knife ("crooked knife"). It has a nice "folk" look to the hilt and the whipping on the handle does not strike me as Native American. Blade looks sturdy and forged. Be interested to hear what others think. Ian.

22nd September 2006, 10:50 AM	#127
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	Hi Ian, I think that this actually is a "crooked knife" functionally as it clearly fits in the hand to be used as a single-handed draw knife. It has some age to it, but I would hesitate to put this particular example of the tool before the first half of the 20th century and I would similarly hestitate to identify this particular example's cultural origin. A couple of good links I found to "crooked knives": Mo-co-ta-gan: Crooked Knives Mocotaugan: The Story and Art of the Crooked Knife

22nd September 2006, 09:43 PM	#128
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	I have seen a "crooked" knife in a local junk shop. I will see if it is still there in the morning and if cheap enough buy it to compare. It has an antler handle and no binding with absolutely no indication that it is not English. A rural or urban for all that matters, farriers search tool. I really know nothing about horses being more of a Townie.

22nd September 2006, 10:36 PM	#129
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Lee: It was the blade that put me off. I think of "crooked knives" as having more square-ended blades with a terminal hook. But I see from your referenced sites that not all blades have such an appearance. It seems curious that this style is unknown to occur before the 19th C. Ian.

18th October 2006, 06:02 PM	#131
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Very nice. I would say that's a very lucky dog!

18th October 2006, 08:05 PM	#132
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Congratulations! Nice puppies (woof! ).

20th October 2006, 01:06 AM	#134
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Hey Spunger, Post some photos after you clean it up. Good catch!

20th October 2006, 03:45 PM	#136
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	here's the blade. i believe it's the first picture where it looks as if the blade was used to block what appears to be an incoming blow, so much so that it made a dent and separated the lamination weld. i would say it's a battle scar. on the bottom picture, you could almost see the 'stepladder' (for a better lack of terms) lamination on the blade, left side... Attached Images

22nd October 2006, 04:15 PM	#137
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Bangkung back to her glory days... Attached Images

22nd October 2006, 08:17 PM	#139
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Ron: That's quite a dent. Possibly a strike from a bullet? Ian.

23rd October 2006, 06:43 AM	#140
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	ian, the distance of the dent is about a third of the total length from the tip, and the thickness at this point is still 5/16". needless to say, it's a solid, heavy blade. it would take a lot to create that dent. bullet grazing it is a strong possibililty. kino, wow, excellent piece you got there, brah! the naga hilt itself is unique, but another aspect that's interesting is where the blade connects to the handle, you know, the grills. pretty common on northern sundangs, but i've never seen that on moro weapons. btw, don't you have the shandigan bangkung as well?

23rd October 2006, 09:33 PM	#141
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Kino, I forgot all about that piece. Hope the drool stains don't show. I liked working on that piece. BTW - I waved but couldn't see anyone wave back.

23rd October 2006, 10:37 PM	#143
Hrthuma ibn Marwan Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in my study Posts: 18	Hello all, I am new here Some of my stuff: Arabian Dagger: Early 20th century Portoguese bayonet: Ottoman sword, approximately 200ish years old: I am just starting my collection of real antique weapons, as well as newly made replicas.

24th October 2006, 04:47 AM	#144
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Welcome Hrthuma. Hope you enjoy your time here. Ian.

26th October 2006, 03:14 AM	#145
Hrthuma ibn Marwan Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in my study Posts: 18	Thanks Ian And I will try to post a closer look to my blades. I might also get a new sword soon. And I think I might need some assistance identifying where and when it was used. Thanks again

26th October 2006, 03:35 AM	#146
CollectingNewbie Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	My recent buys Just got this Tulwar last week and The Indo Persian Axe? yesterday, Ill post better pics of the axe once I get it. Attached Images

26th October 2006, 03:48 AM	#147
Hrthuma ibn Marwan Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in my study Posts: 18	That Tulwar is pretty decent. I have seen a tulwar in a shop(near where I live) but it looked very blunt and rusty. Yours look pretty cheerfull

26th October 2006, 04:00 AM	#148
CollectingNewbie Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 160	Thanks, its my first Tulwar and I think it was a great buy, just grabed it off ebay for $102.00. I dont know much about Tulwars but it was posted as an 18th century blade, its in excelent shape, and you can still very faintly see some of the artwork on the handle.

28th October 2006, 06:12 PM	#150
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Another horsey knife I got this today to show with the horse knife Lee post at the top of the page. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 28th October 2006 at 06:26 PM.