Old Sundang with a Major Issue

drac2k · 19th January 2019, 04:48 PM

This is a nice older Sundang, but as shown it has a major issue on the pommel. I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there isn't a fix; right or is there ???

kai · 19th January 2019, 05:08 PM

Really nice kalis tulid from Sulu! What are its specs?

Quote:

This is a nice older Sundang, but as shown it has a major issue on the pommel. I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there isn't a fix; right or is there ???

Well, several ivory pommels have been restored and results shown here over the years. Yours is of the more elaborate carving style and, thus, would need someone very skilled to carve a good replacement for the missing part. Obtaining legal raw material within your state, matching and attaching the restoration, and applying a stain that matches the current patina will also be challenging. It can be done, I guess. It won't be cheap though.

Regards,
Kai

drac2k · 19th January 2019, 07:35 PM

Thanks, Kai,
The blade measures 21" long and the handle measures 5"
I was thinking, maybe it could be carved out of wood or resin so that it would be a restoration of its former form, but, not attempting to make it out to be something it is not; resin could be colored to match the ivory.

Battara · 20th January 2019, 01:36 AM

The silver inlays are also missing.

kino · 20th January 2019, 04:15 PM

A heart breaker.
I agree with Kai that it would be costly.
Finding someone to do the work would not be easy. I knew of a scrimshaw artist here in Seattle but have lost contact. Carving it out of wood or resin would not be easy as well but the materials wouldn’t cost as much.
Nice blade and ferrule by the way.

A friend gave me this front section of a jungayan pommel. It shares a same dilemma.

CCUAL · 20th January 2019, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drac2k

This is a nice older Sundang, but as shown it has a major issue on the pommel. I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there isn't a fix; right or is there ???

Drack.
That's a beautiful kris, congrats.

Kino,
Are you going to restore that pommel?

Rick · 21st January 2019, 12:08 AM

There are plenty of fake scrimshaw teeth out there; maybe you can source a blank one with a little googling; then all you would need is the artisan.
Look for arvorin plus on ebay.

drac2k · 21st January 2019, 04:12 AM

Great tip; looks pretty close to the real thing.

Sajen · 21st January 2019, 09:01 AM

Another possibilty would be to look for an antique billards ball to purchase the real deal.

Regards,
Detlef

David R · 21st January 2019, 11:02 AM

3d printing, using a nice original as the master?

drac2k · 21st January 2019, 02:05 PM

Two more great ideas.

David · 22nd January 2019, 03:26 AM

I could be mistaken, but i believe that Spunjer did a restoration on an old ivory pommel like this some years back. Maybe he will show up to talk about it.

19th January 2019, 04:48 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,294	Old Sundang with a Major Issue This is a nice older Sundang, but as shown it has a major issue on the pommel. I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there isn't a fix; right or is there ??? Attached Images

20th January 2019, 04:15 PM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	A heart breaker. I agree with Kai that it would be costly. Finding someone to do the work would not be easy. I knew of a scrimshaw artist here in Seattle but have lost contact. Carving it out of wood or resin would not be easy as well but the materials wouldn’t cost as much. Nice blade and ferrule by the way. A friend gave me this front section of a jungayan pommel. It shares a same dilemma. Attached Images

19th January 2019, 07:35 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,294	Thanks, Kai, The blade measures 21" long and the handle measures 5" I was thinking, maybe it could be carved out of wood or resin so that it would be a restoration of its former form, but, not attempting to make it out to be something it is not; resin could be colored to match the ivory.

20th January 2019, 01:36 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	The silver inlays are also missing.

21st January 2019, 12:08 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	There are plenty of fake scrimshaw teeth out there; maybe you can source a blank one with a little googling; then all you would need is the artisan. Look for arvorin plus on ebay.

21st January 2019, 04:12 AM	#8
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,294	Great tip; looks pretty close to the real thing.

21st January 2019, 09:01 AM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Another possibilty would be to look for an antique billards ball to purchase the real deal. Regards, Detlef

21st January 2019, 11:02 AM	#10
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,134	3d printing, using a nice original as the master?

21st January 2019, 02:05 PM	#11
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,294	Two more great ideas.

22nd January 2019, 03:26 AM	#12
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I could be mistaken, but i believe that Spunjer did a restoration on an old ivory pommel like this some years back. Maybe he will show up to talk about it.