silver pointer ? Dutch, oriental, judaica ?

francantolin · 17th December 2018, 06:06 PM

Hello,
I just bought this silver object,
I really liked the shape and the specials engravings : animals and characters
I don't know what it was made for,
the seller sold it as an umbrella hilt but I don't think so,
seems a little like an jewish yad ?! ( just a little !...)
Any advice ?
Thank you

Franck

francantolin · 17th December 2018, 06:07 PM

total length is 8,25 inches...

Thank you !!

A. G. Maisey · 17th December 2018, 08:15 PM

This is a guess, I do not know the purpose of this item.

However I have seen something similar that was the end of a long stick used to move drapes on their rod, it was all wood, it had a ring towards the point that had a cord through it, the bent point was placed against the suspension ring of the drapes, the cord was pulled on to move the drapes along the rod.

francantolin · 18th December 2018, 04:59 PM

Hello,
Thank you Maisey,

have you perhaps a picture of this kind of stick ?
this point is not a hook at all , no ring attach at the end.
More an icicle shape, or twisted horn ? cornucopia ?( ritual ? )

Maybe a spindle for spinning wool or silk I saw some made of iron
but why in silver ??...

fernando · 18th December 2018, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

... seems a little like an jewish yad ?! ( just a little !...)...

And why not one ?

.

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fernando · 18th December 2018, 06:10 PM

Just for perusal, the first torah reading implements did not end with a hand finger shape, but with that of a school teacher tapering pointer.

francantolin · 18th December 2018, 06:34 PM

Seems Ok !
Thank you !!!!!

Battara · 20th December 2018, 12:31 AM

I was thinking a Torah pointer.

russel · 21st December 2018, 02:19 AM

I believe the correct term for this type of pointer is "Yad"

francantolin · 21st December 2018, 02:31 PM

Hello, Yes,
I was asking about jewish yad shape on my first thread,

Yad-Yed ( prononciation ) is the hebrew-arabic name for the hand,
This one is interesting with this special shape ( that's why I wonder about this item )

An early form of pointer as Fernando wrote.

Kind regards

A. G. Maisey · 29th December 2018, 05:30 AM

QUOTE
have you perhaps a picture of this kind of stick ?
this point is not a hook at all , no ring attach at the end.
More an icicle shape, or twisted horn ? cornucopia ?( ritual ? )

Maybe a spindle for spinning wool or silk I saw some made of iron
but why in silver ??...

The rod I saw that was used to move curtains also did not have a hook at the end, it had a bent or waved end, the same as your silver one, but the one I saw was made of wood. The bend, or wave rested against the round curtain rod.

A little way down from its end your silver item has a ring.

A little way from the end, the wooden rod I saw had a ring in approximately the same place.

To all intents and purposes your silver item, and the last 12" or so of the wooden rod I saw were the same, in fact almost exactly the same, except yours is silver, what I saw was wood.

I saw this rod in 2012 in a farmhouse in Tuscany, Italy. I saw the rod in use a number of times, I was staying in the farmhouse for about a month.

I did not photograph it, indeed, if I saw the same thing again tomorrow I would not photograph it:- household appliances are not of much interest to me.

I am not arguing for acceptance of my suggestion, I am simply stating that I have seen an object with the same design as the silver item under discussion, and that I saw it used a number of times for a specific purpose.

I have placed this second post because it appears from post #4 that my post #3 was not at all understood.

17th December 2018, 06:06 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 924	silver pointer ? Dutch, oriental, judaica ? Hello, I just bought this silver object, I really liked the shape and the specials engravings : animals and characters I don't know what it was made for, the seller sold it as an umbrella hilt but I don't think so, seems a little like an jewish yad ?! ( just a little !...) Any advice ? Thank you Franck Attached Images

17th December 2018, 06:07 PM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 924	total length is 8,25 inches... Thank you !!

17th December 2018, 08:15 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	This is a guess, I do not know the purpose of this item. However I have seen something similar that was the end of a long stick used to move drapes on their rod, it was all wood, it had a ring towards the point that had a cord through it, the bent point was placed against the suspension ring of the drapes, the cord was pulled on to move the drapes along the rod.

18th December 2018, 04:59 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 924	Hello, Thank you Maisey, have you perhaps a picture of this kind of stick ? this point is not a hook at all , no ring attach at the end. More an icicle shape, or twisted horn ? cornucopia ?( ritual ? ) Maybe a spindle for spinning wool or silk I saw some made of iron but why in silver ??...

18th December 2018, 06:10 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Just for perusal, the first torah reading implements did not end with a hand finger shape, but with that of a school teacher tapering pointer.

18th December 2018, 06:34 PM	#7
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 924	Seems Ok ! Thank you !!!!!

20th December 2018, 12:31 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I was thinking a Torah pointer.

21st December 2018, 02:19 AM	#9
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	I believe the correct term for this type of pointer is "Yad"

21st December 2018, 02:31 PM	#10
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 924	Hello, Yes, I was asking about jewish yad shape on my first thread, Yad-Yed ( prononciation ) is the hebrew-arabic name for the hand, This one is interesting with this special shape ( that's why I wonder about this item ) An early form of pointer as Fernando wrote. Kind regards

29th December 2018, 05:30 AM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	QUOTE have you perhaps a picture of this kind of stick ? this point is not a hook at all , no ring attach at the end. More an icicle shape, or twisted horn ? cornucopia ?( ritual ? ) Maybe a spindle for spinning wool or silk I saw some made of iron but why in silver ??... The rod I saw that was used to move curtains also did not have a hook at the end, it had a bent or waved end, the same as your silver one, but the one I saw was made of wood. The bend, or wave rested against the round curtain rod. A little way down from its end your silver item has a ring. A little way from the end, the wooden rod I saw had a ring in approximately the same place. To all intents and purposes your silver item, and the last 12" or so of the wooden rod I saw were the same, in fact almost exactly the same, except yours is silver, what I saw was wood. I saw this rod in 2012 in a farmhouse in Tuscany, Italy. I saw the rod in use a number of times, I was staying in the farmhouse for about a month. I did not photograph it, indeed, if I saw the same thing again tomorrow I would not photograph it:- household appliances are not of much interest to me. I am not arguing for acceptance of my suggestion, I am simply stating that I have seen an object with the same design as the silver item under discussion, and that I saw it used a number of times for a specific purpose. I have placed this second post because it appears from post #4 that my post #3 was not at all understood.