[Identification] Axe or Knife?

fireiceviper · 30th June 2015, 12:29 AM

Can anyone identify the origin of this weapon? purchased here in the Netherlands. It looks Asian to me and others I've shown it too but still can't figure out what culture, or anything actually...

It came from a dutch museum, who labeled it "african ?" when they acquired it as a gift from missionaries.

Any help would be appreciated!

fireiceviper · 30th June 2015, 05:37 PM

yesterday i contacted Mr. Burgess from www.billhooks.co.uk after a comment (on facebook ) that it could be a pruning knive. He contacted me today with the following link

Volkenkune Leiden

So its solved! also someone showed me a topic on this very forum!

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2905

VANDOO · 30th June 2015, 08:36 PM

I HAVE SOMETHING SIMULAR THAT I HAD POSTED IN THE NAGA POST IN THE FORUM. IT LOOKS MUCH LIKE THESE EXAMPLES BUT IS MORE CRUDELY MADE.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF MY ITEM FOR COMPARASON.

Oriental-Arms · 30th June 2015, 09:11 PM

Another exemplar

Mr. Philip Hartmann from the Netherlands suggested me that it is a chopper from Bali- Indonesia used in burial ceremonies

A. G. Maisey · 1st July 2015, 12:49 AM

The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura.

It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura.

It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

Hello Alan,

do you know if it was used as weapon, agricultural tool or as ceremonial knife?

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 1st July 2015, 03:46 AM

The one shown seems to be far too good a quality to be a tool.

In the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo there are more than a few examples of things that we think of as tools now, but which were clearly weapons in the past. Javanese society is a rural society, and a lot of Javanese weapons have a tool form.

I think we can forget ceremonial use.

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 08:19 AM

Thank you for your educated statement.

Regards,
Detlef

fireiceviper · 14th July 2015, 12:12 AM

The ones in the volkenkunde museum are all labeled "kapmes" though which roughly translates to "machete".

But i also agree its a lot of work for a simple machete...

30th June 2015, 05:37 PM	#2
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	Found it! yesterday i contacted Mr. Burgess from www.billhooks.co.uk after a comment (on facebook ) that it could be a pruning knive. He contacted me today with the following link Volkenkune Leiden So its solved! also someone showed me a topic on this very forum! http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2905

30th June 2015, 08:36 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE SOMETHING SIMULAR THAT I HAD POSTED IN THE NAGA POST IN THE FORUM. IT LOOKS MUCH LIKE THESE EXAMPLES BUT IS MORE CRUDELY MADE. HERE IS A PICTURE OF MY ITEM FOR COMPARASON. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 30th June 2015 at 11:24 PM.

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Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	Another exemplar Mr. Philip Hartmann from the Netherlands suggested me that it is a chopper from Bali- Indonesia used in burial ceremonies Attached Images

30th June 2015, 12:29 AM	#1
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	[Identification] Axe or Knife? Can anyone identify the origin of this weapon? purchased here in the Netherlands. It looks Asian to me and others I've shown it too but still can't figure out what culture, or anything actually... It came from a dutch museum, who labeled it "african ?" when they acquired it as a gift from missionaries. Any help would be appreciated! Attached Images

1st July 2015, 12:49 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura. It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

1st July 2015, 03:46 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	The one shown seems to be far too good a quality to be a tool. In the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo there are more than a few examples of things that we think of as tools now, but which were clearly weapons in the past. Javanese society is a rural society, and a lot of Javanese weapons have a tool form. I think we can forget ceremonial use.

1st July 2015, 08:19 AM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	Thank you for your educated statement. Regards, Detlef

14th July 2015, 12:12 AM	#9
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	The ones in the volkenkunde museum are all labeled "kapmes" though which roughly translates to "machete". But i also agree its a lot of work for a simple machete...