Royal Soussan Pata - translation please

Battara · 3rd April 2007, 02:52 AM

Hello again folks. This time I have a South Indian soussan pata with gold koftgari that I got from our good friend Rsword (Jaya!). Some of the pictures have been sent to Rick for resizing

, some are here. One of them has what I think is a Bismallah (name of God) on it, though I could be off. On the other side there is an umbrella (a mark that signifies it comes from a royal armoury) and more inscription. The blade is made of laminated steel, but it is not evident until you look up close in spots. It was polished by our other good friend Phillip. What do the inscriptions mean? Other comments welcomed.

Jose

PS - back to the beans and rice.

Battara · 6th April 2007, 05:40 PM

Wow - no comments or folks that can translate the Arabic?

katana · 6th April 2007, 07:42 PM

Hi Battara,
it's a beauty......

Jens Nordlunde · 6th April 2007, 10:15 PM

Hi Battara,

It is indeed very nice

, congratulations. How about some measurers, and maybe a better picture of the hilt and the upper part of the blade? I am sorry that I can’t help you with the translation, but I am sure someone else can.

Battara · 6th April 2007, 10:38 PM

Thank you both. I will see what I can do about getting better pictures (I apologize for these aweful pics

).

Hope our Arab friends on the forum can help in the translation.

Lew · 6th April 2007, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Thank you both. I will see what I can do about getting better pictures (I apologize for these aweful pics

).

Hope our Arab friends on the forum can help in the translation.

Hey Battara it says made in the China

Just Fooling! That is one sweet sword.

Lew

ham · 6th April 2007, 11:19 PM

Nice example.
The inscriptions read:

Work of Muhammad Shah

O Muhammad!

Allah, O Muhammad, O Ali!

Ham

Battara · 7th April 2007, 09:36 PM

Thank you so much Ham.

When I get back home I'll get those measurements for you Jens.

Pictures will have to come later.

Battara · 14th April 2007, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ham

Nice example.
The inscriptions read:

Work of Muhammad Shah

O Muhammad!

Allah, O Muhammad, O Ali!

Ham

I was just wondering, if this is calling out to Ali as well, could this have belonged to a Shi'ite raja. There were some Shi'ite groups in India.

Battara · 28th June 2007, 02:20 AM

Well (a deep subject!

) here are the pictures I promised, finally. I made the tassel ring out of brass and oxidized it.

Enjoy

Bill M · 28th June 2007, 03:01 AM

GREAT puppy!!! Very nice.

Andrew · 28th June 2007, 03:56 AM

Definitely worth some days of rice and beans, Jose! Nice brass work. What did you use to cut it out?

Battara · 1st July 2007, 08:45 PM

Thank you......I used a titanium coated drill bit and then my jeweler's saw, followed up by a little use of chasing tools for minimal detail and some polishing. I used the original pin.

Before all this I had to find some really thick brass scrap and forge it to the right thickness and width. I did all this in my spare time inbetween jobs.

3rd April 2007, 02:52 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Royal Soussan Pata - translation please Hello again folks. This time I have a South Indian soussan pata with gold koftgari that I got from our good friend Rsword (Jaya!). Some of the pictures have been sent to Rick for resizing , some are here. One of them has what I think is a Bismallah (name of God) on it, though I could be off. On the other side there is an umbrella (a mark that signifies it comes from a royal armoury) and more inscription. The blade is made of laminated steel, but it is not evident until you look up close in spots. It was polished by our other good friend Phillip. What do the inscriptions mean? Other comments welcomed. Jose PS - back to the beans and rice. Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 3rd April 2007 at 05:33 PM.

6th April 2007, 10:15 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Battara, It is indeed very nice, congratulations. How about some measurers, and maybe a better picture of the hilt and the upper part of the blade? I am sorry that I can’t help you with the translation, but I am sure someone else can.

28th June 2007, 02:20 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Well (a deep subject! ) here are the pictures I promised, finally. I made the tassel ring out of brass and oxidized it. Enjoy Attached Images

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6th April 2007, 05:40 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Wow - no comments or folks that can translate the Arabic?

6th April 2007, 07:42 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Battara, it's a beauty......

6th April 2007, 10:38 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Thank you both. I will see what I can do about getting better pictures (I apologize for these aweful pics ). Hope our Arab friends on the forum can help in the translation.

6th April 2007, 11:19 PM	#7
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	Nice example. The inscriptions read: Work of Muhammad Shah O Muhammad! Allah, O Muhammad, O Ali! Ham

7th April 2007, 09:36 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Thank you so much Ham. When I get back home I'll get those measurements for you Jens. Pictures will have to come later.

28th June 2007, 03:01 AM	#11
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	GREAT puppy!!! Very nice.

28th June 2007, 03:56 AM	#12
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Definitely worth some days of rice and beans, Jose! Nice brass work. What did you use to cut it out?

1st July 2007, 08:45 PM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Thank you......I used a titanium coated drill bit and then my jeweler's saw, followed up by a little use of chasing tools for minimal detail and some polishing. I used the original pin. Before all this I had to find some really thick brass scrap and forge it to the right thickness and width. I did all this in my spare time inbetween jobs.