French An XIII conversion?

[Raymond]

Hi All, I thought that this was a converted An XIII Flintlock.

You can see the outline of the pan and the nipple has been welded on to complete the conversion to percussion circa 1822.

However there are no markings that indicate French arsenal manufacture. The only markings are a circled T on the butt cap with a number 2486, a star over a D on the left lock plate and the number 35 under an obscured mark near the hammer.

Any ideas about this pistol? Civilian conversion? Belgian?

Thanks for any info or educated guesses!

Raymond

[fernando]

What about pictures, Raymond ?

[Raymond]

Well let us see if I've got the pic thing right.

[Fernando K]

Hello

This is not a French conversion, but a flintlock pistol, copy the French model, and is converted back to percusiom such Italian time (kingdom of Piedmont)

Affectionately. Fernando K

[corrado26]

Sorry Fernando, but I have to contradict: This typ of conversion is certainly not made in Piemont but at Liège as is the cock which is typically Liège made. See pictures of a Liège made pistol M 1816/38UM.
corrado26

[GIO]

The proof mark is from Liege and was utilized from 1846 to 1893.

[fernando]

That's the mark in the pistol posted by Corrado, not the example of this thread, posted by Raymond, right ? .

[corrado26]

That's right. This pistol M 1816/38UM with ramrod was made for the heavy Belgium cavalry, whereas the same pistol without a ramrod was made for the light cavalry. The "ELG" mark was by the way used from 1810 to 1897
corrado26

[Raymond]

Hi Fernando, Corrado26 and GIO,

Got some good information from you gentlemen.

Thank you!


Am I correct in saying that this is ( probably) a Belgian Heavy Cavalry Pistol circa 1816 - 18?? converted from a Belgian copy of the An XIII?

I can see a sanded off (?) part of the barrel where the Leige proof could have been. Alas, it is only a blur.


Thanks again!

Ray

[GIO]

Originally Posted by fernando

That's the mark in the pistol posted by Corrado, not the example of this thread, posted by Raymond, right ? .

Yes, Fernando. Sorry for not having been clear.

[fernando]

[corrado26]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Am I correct in saying that this is ( probably) a Belgian Heavy Cavalry Pistol circa 1816 - 18?? converted from a Belgian copy of the An XIII?

This is not a copy of the French An13 pistol but a copy of the French M 1816/22 pistol
corrado26

[Raymond]

Thank You again, Corrado26,

May I ask one last question? Do you know what the "UM" stands for?

I am most appreciative of your time and patience in answering my queries!

Ray

[corrado26]

UM is a German abreviation and stands for "Umänderungs-Modell", what means in French "Modèle Transformé" or in English "Transformed model" - from flintlock to Percussion
corrado26

[Raymond]

Danke!!

Ray

[rickystl]

Don't think I've ever Posted this pistol. So maybe this Thread would be a good time.
This appears to be a BELGIUM copy of a French AN-XIII Pistol. Note the iron mounts versus brass mounts as with the original French pistol. The same Belgium proof mark per above, is on the top of the breech area of the barrel.
This is the only IRON mounted copy I've ever seen. Sort of tough to date this one. But probably made during the same time period.
Rick.