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5th October 2010, 10:12 PM
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Late medieval italian handgonne
The image of the late medieval handgonne from the fragment of picture "Piccolomini Presents Eleanor of Portugal to Emperor Frederick III". This picture is about 1490-1495 year.
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6th October 2010, 12:40 PM
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Hi Alexander,
Very nice find, this one!  This sort of firearm ist a tiller gun (Stangenbüchse) that had to be ignited manually. For more on these, please see my older tread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=tiller Best, Michael |
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6th October 2010, 02:09 PM
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Hi, Michael! Thank you for comments. But I think that this weapon is not a Stangenbüchse. I think that this weapon of this type:
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6th October 2010, 02:46 PM
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Sorry, Alexander,
And thank you so much for correcting my old eyes! Of course you are perfectly right, I somehow overlooked the delicate half length forestock supporting the rear section of the barrel! Best, Michael |
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6th October 2010, 03:31 PM
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By the way, Michael do you know the size and calibre of weapon from a the small photo? Do you have a high quality photo of this?
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6th October 2010, 05:13 PM
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Alexander,
I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only. If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan.  Best, Michael |
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6th October 2010, 07:34 PM
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Quote:
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6th October 2010, 08:21 PM
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OK, here it is, plus a similar one, all preserved in the Real Armeria Madrid!
Best, Michael |
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11th October 2010, 10:29 AM
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We can see one picture with handgonne of this type from British Library
 This picture from Forum de L'Ost Du Dauphin: http://ostdudauphin.forumperso.com/l...e-feu-t765.htm |
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11th October 2010, 12:57 PM
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Thanks for the link, Alexander.
Superb pictures, specially those of the firemasters ... and the firemaster horse (?). |
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11th October 2010, 01:56 PM
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Great find, Alexander, thank you!
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2nd December 2012, 06:00 PM
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Handgonne of similar type:
Horae ad usum Parisiensem. 1475-1500.jpg |
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3rd December 2012, 01:01 PM
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Oooohhh they are so cute
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