ID help needed

Kamil · 21st December 2004, 10:05 PM

Hi all!
I've watched the discussions here since a long time, and now I need your help. I've just obtained this piece. It's 33,2 cm long; on both sides of the blade there are incised lines, possibly originally all of them inlaid with copper (now most of it missing); next to the lines square brass plates with incised geometrical ornament are fixed on both sides of the blade. The trapezoid element between the blade and the hilt is rather loosely fitted (as is the hilt itself) and on one side, along the edges, it has lines inlaid with copper wire (?). The hilt is made of a dark wood, studded with elements made of silver (or silver coloured) wire. The pommel consist of alternating bone, copper, brass and wooden elements. The construction of the pommel reminds Tuareg daggers - possibly this could be a clue? The provenance of this piece cannot help: it comes reportedly from somewhere in Germany, but this information is by no means certain.

RhysMichael · 21st December 2004, 11:13 PM

Interesting piece the fittings do look Taureg but the blade looks similar to a Koummya. I look forward to seeing what it turns out to be

Kamil · 22nd December 2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RhysMichael

Interesting piece the fittings do look Taureg but the blade looks similar to a Koummya. I look forward to seeing what it turns out to be

Well, but the blade begins markedly straight and the point seems slightly re-curved which would remind zirah-bouk - and this is rather impossible. Maybe the piece is composed of parts of two different daggers?

Lee · 22nd December 2004, 11:58 AM

For me the Moroccan and Tuareg influences are strong, so I'd tend to guess that it is a variant of a koummya, likely from well inland and over the Atlas mountains, where a Tuareg influence would be expected.

cylord21 · 22nd December 2004, 12:45 PM

Brass fittings and silver or white metal inlay points toward Moroccan-Tuareg influence, handle probably made of ebony.

Kamil · 22nd December 2004, 04:10 PM

As for the handle, it doesn't seem to be of ebony, the wood resembles rather mahogany. And concerning the blade, what about its almost-double curve? I must confess that I haven't seen such kind of koummaya. Does it exist?

21st December 2004, 10:05 PM	#1
Kamil Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Warsaw Posts: 33	ID help needed Hi all! I've watched the discussions here since a long time, and now I need your help. I've just obtained this piece. It's 33,2 cm long; on both sides of the blade there are incised lines, possibly originally all of them inlaid with copper (now most of it missing); next to the lines square brass plates with incised geometrical ornament are fixed on both sides of the blade. The trapezoid element between the blade and the hilt is rather loosely fitted (as is the hilt itself) and on one side, along the edges, it has lines inlaid with copper wire (?). The hilt is made of a dark wood, studded with elements made of silver (or silver coloured) wire. The pommel consist of alternating bone, copper, brass and wooden elements. The construction of the pommel reminds Tuareg daggers - possibly this could be a clue? The provenance of this piece cannot help: it comes reportedly from somewhere in Germany, but this information is by no means certain. Attached Images

21st December 2004, 11:13 PM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Interesting piece the fittings do look Taureg but the blade looks similar to a Koummya. I look forward to seeing what it turns out to be

22nd December 2004, 11:58 AM	#4
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 899	For me the Moroccan and Tuareg influences are strong, so I'd tend to guess that it is a variant of a koummya, likely from well inland and over the Atlas mountains, where a Tuareg influence would be expected.

22nd December 2004, 12:45 PM	#5
cylord21 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Caracas - Venezuela Posts: 15	Brass fittings and silver or white metal inlay points toward Moroccan-Tuareg influence, handle probably made of ebony.

22nd December 2004, 04:10 PM	#6
Kamil Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Warsaw Posts: 33	As for the handle, it doesn't seem to be of ebony, the wood resembles rather mahogany. And concerning the blade, what about its almost-double curve? I must confess that I haven't seen such kind of koummaya. Does it exist?