Cossack's saif?

Yustas · 3rd February 2009, 04:21 AM

Another sabre for identification.
Looks like persian saif for me, but there are picture of St. Mary with a child on the blade, and a herald on other one.
By the what could it mean?

ariel · 3rd February 2009, 10:13 PM

The "camel head" configuration of the pommel reminds me of Balkan sabers.
The blade is European, and the Slavic "P"'s are intriguing. Whose crown is it?
Gorgeous sword! If ever you are tired of it, send me a PM :-)

Yustas · 3rd February 2009, 10:27 PM

Unfortunately (or fortunatly) it is not mine, and not for sale. This is a museum's piece. I was trying to figure out how it is related to Ukrainian Cosscks. does this herald mean anything? It looks like a seal of one of the polks (regiments) for me.

ariel · 3rd February 2009, 11:14 PM

The more I look, the more queries I have.
The horse is very "artistic":kind of " free spirit", instead of heraldic military. Looks almost modern to me. And why is a part of the stamp located on the edge, without noticeable damage? Wasn't the blade sharpened?
What museum is this one and the other one come from?

Atlantia · 3rd February 2009, 11:36 PM

Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.

Yustas · 4th February 2009, 12:27 AM

Let's just say it is a small museum in USA.
The whole blade and handle is in very good shape, almoust no use. Looks like it was sharpened once in lifetime, no dents on the blade, so no reason for picture to fade, or distort.
I'll post picture of Mary with Child that is on the other side. (When i get home)
But my main point here is to figure out it's relation to Ukrainian history.
First, is it real?
Second, when approximately was it made?
Third, where it was made?
Same questins to the other sabre. I would really appreciate your taughts.
By the way, i have pictures for some other beutifull pieces for discussion if you're interested.

ariel · 4th February 2009, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.

That's another inconsistency: everything looks European and is made of silver, but the crossguard is of Persian type and iron...

3rd February 2009, 04:21 AM	#1
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Cossack's saif? Another sabre for identification. Looks like persian saif for me, but there are picture of St. Mary with a child on the blade, and a herald on other one. By the what could it mean? Attached Images

3rd February 2009, 10:27 PM	#3
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Hm :) Unfortunately (or fortunatly) it is not mine, and not for sale. This is a museum's piece. I was trying to figure out how it is related to Ukrainian Cosscks. does this herald mean anything? It looks like a seal of one of the polks (regiments) for me.

3rd February 2009, 10:13 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The "camel head" configuration of the pommel reminds me of Balkan sabers. The blade is European, and the Slavic "P"'s are intriguing. Whose crown is it? Gorgeous sword! If ever you are tired of it, send me a PM :-)

3rd February 2009, 11:14 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The more I look, the more queries I have. The horse is very "artistic":kind of " free spirit", instead of heraldic military. Looks almost modern to me. And why is a part of the stamp located on the edge, without noticeable damage? Wasn't the blade sharpened? What museum is this one and the other one come from?

3rd February 2009, 11:36 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Lovely sword. very similar simple crossguard to one I have which was discussed here.

4th February 2009, 12:27 AM	#6
Yustas Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 40	Let's just say it is a small museum in USA. The whole blade and handle is in very good shape, almoust no use. Looks like it was sharpened once in lifetime, no dents on the blade, so no reason for picture to fade, or distort. I'll post picture of Mary with Child that is on the other side. (When i get home) But my main point here is to figure out it's relation to Ukrainian history. First, is it real? Second, when approximately was it made? Third, where it was made? Same questins to the other sabre. I would really appreciate your taughts. By the way, i have pictures for some other beutifull pieces for discussion if you're interested.