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			Hi All, 
		
		
		
			Happy 2024 and I hope a great years collecting lies ahead for all. I was off grid for 2 weeks but picked this up on Tuesday night at auction. My first purchase for the year is what I beleve to be a Shona bakatwa with a type of wire wrapping, which i have not seen before. I am picking it up from auction house tomorrow but wanted to get opinions here as the auction house pictures are as good as I will take They call it A 19th century sword. 60.5cm But I think it is Shona abet with unusual silver coloured wire wrapping Any and all opinions welcome Regards Ken  | 
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			Nice blade.  Not silver, either aluminium, zinc coated or tinned brass wire.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Hi Tim 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	I will have in hand tomorrow and report back Do you agree on the Shona angle of identification? Regards Ken  | 
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			I've misplaced the email you sent me some time ago, would you might reaching out when you get a minute, I want to point you to something you may have already seen to accompany this nice old warrior.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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 Hi Ken, Yes, I would agree with you, it's a Shona bakatwa in sword length, somewhat rare. I agree with Tim that it won't be silver, nickel maybe? Regards, Detlef  | 
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			Here is some information: https://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/weapons/ind...-10/index.html
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Hi  
		
		
		
			Well I got it yesterday and I think it has been painted with brass showing through. Happy with it all the same as the wire work is exemplary and I can get access to most solvents to remove the paint if I want. Before I do so is there any chance the paint might be contempary as it is very well done and looks great. I do not really collect in this field so I am no puritan on returning to what it should look like so I may just leave as is for a while Regards and thanks all for the information Ken  | 
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			Check SPAM if mail didn't arrive Ken, all the best and good luck with if it is interesting enough!
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Thanks Gavin 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	I sent you a mail back with some pictures and opinion sought, regards Ken  | 
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