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Old 7th March 2018, 07:48 PM   #1
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Saw this on a toledo made sword from around the mid 19c. appears to be arabic in a cartouche on the grip. can anyone tell what it says? I'm not sure which way is up, I do not recognise if the writing is actually arabic or the artisan's impression. blade is quite flexible and razor sharp. appears to be real gold inlays.
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Old 7th March 2018, 10:36 PM   #2
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Can you please show us the whole sword?

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Old 7th March 2018, 10:59 PM   #3
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It's not Arabic
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Old 8th March 2018, 11:38 AM   #4
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Siamese? Tibetan? Bhutan?
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Old 8th March 2018, 11:50 AM   #5
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I think it's mock/ersatz arabic, for decorative purposes by someone illiterate in arabic calligraphy.
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Old 8th March 2018, 12:16 PM   #6
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Can you please show us the whole sword?

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Attached note the reinforced forte/ricasso area.
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Old 8th March 2018, 12:31 PM   #7
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Modern ?
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Old 8th March 2018, 12:50 PM   #8
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The work in handle is typical from Toledo and is known as Damasquinado. I think this piece could be from 1920 more or leas. Is a beatiful sword. The Fábrica de Toledo made some copies of swords from different ages.
I love this sword! If some day you want send me ...😀😀
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What a beautiful sword! These Arabesques are among the best I ever saw!

I tend to date the sword back to the 19th ct..


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Old 8th March 2018, 06:23 PM   #10
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Beautiful it is but unfortunately it is just a purely decorative piece not even a reproduction of a hystorical sword... at least none I can recognize.
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My first thought was an artificially aged copy. Then the blade bending -
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Beautiful it is but unfortunately it is just a purely decorative piece not even a reproduction of a hystorical sword... at least none I can recognize.

I have been in Toledo (for the second time) the other day. The city is infested with sword (and armour) copies, being offered in hotel lobbies and all kinds of shop windows; Boadbil jinetas face to face with unreal things you see (or not) in fiction movies. On the other hand i wouldn't take it for certain that this piece was made in Spain.
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