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Old 22nd November 2017, 08:03 PM   #1
Norman McCormick
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Default Petits Montmorency with Fleur de Lys guard.

Hi,
A French hanger type sword known as a Petits Montmorency. The blade is 74cms long and 3.2cms wide with the overall sword being 88cms with a blade of the Montmorency type hence the name. The tip is slightly bent but gentle heat and a vice may solve that. These types were in use pre-revolution by the Army, National Guard and the Navy although the Navy versions generally sported an anchor on the guard. The Fleur de Lys guard was in use from 1788 to 1792. This sword was probably used by an Infantry officer or perhaps a well heeled N.C.O. in the National Guard. As usual your thoughts and comments anticipated.
My thanks to the Musee d l'Armee for the above information.
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Old 22nd November 2017, 08:36 PM   #2
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Thank you so much for posting this Norman!!! I have never seen one of these hilts, whose openwork design reflects the styles of the period on British spadroons in the general design. This is timed nicely with the studies being discussed on the fluer de lis concurrently.

The Montmorency type blade was also most popular with some English sword types in these times.
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Old 23rd November 2017, 12:30 AM   #3
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Excellent acquisition, Norman! Like Jim, I had never seen nor been aware of this pattern sword! Of note are the two oval cut-out designs to the guard base, seen on the French officer's pattern naval sword with the swivel guard, like this one I used to own-

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19372
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Old 23rd November 2017, 10:54 PM   #4
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Jim, Mark,
Thanks as always for your views and input. I too was unaware of these Petits Montmorencys until I acquired this example. An internet search of Petits Montmorency sabre will bring up many examples, some plain and businesslike but also expensive blue and gilt types. The guards are many and varied with some pointing towards the particular arm of service in which the owner served e.g. anchor, grenade etc. The 'slotted type' cross guard and blade profile appears to be a common factor with the 'basket' and occasionally the grip as varying factors.
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Norman.

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Old 24th November 2017, 06:30 PM   #5
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Excellent thread Norman and very much in step with the current run of FDL designs in other threads noted already in your replies.

If I may parry with this~ Si le sabre-briquet de 1767~
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Old 24th November 2017, 07:30 PM   #6
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Thank you Ibrahiim, here are some more hilt designs.
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