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Old 25th September 2017, 05:34 PM   #1
Martin Lubojacky
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The sabre was found in Africa (see the handle). Light, springy blade, which, I think, is of European origin. Could anybody help with identification ? Thanks.
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Old 26th September 2017, 09:58 AM   #2
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No luck so far, Martin
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Old 26th September 2017, 11:22 AM   #3
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Dear Fernando, thank you for your sympathy ...

Maybe somebody knows and will come later
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Old 2nd October 2017, 10:18 PM   #4
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I noted a peculiar similarity on an Indian sign....A Parrot !

Kamedev on parakeet.
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I noted a peculiar similarity on an Indian sign....A Parrot !

Kamedev on parakeet.


The bird depicted on Martin's sword is a grouse or very similar game bird. The head and tail are distinctive.
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Old 3rd October 2017, 12:34 AM   #6
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Martin, very nice blade which looks to be Eastern European hanger or sabre blade of 17th c, possibly into 18th. This cartouche is not a hallmark, but probably a talismanic device used in these regions and known loosely as a 'Transylvanian knot'.
Devices such as this along with often unintelligible words are often found in these kinds of flourishes. The blades if I understand correctly were often Styrian,sometimes Polish, but hard to say for sure.

The type of bird is really not relevant but could be a grouse as noted with that swirl atop the head.

I think Ariel was the one who located this data in a very obscure book,
"Huszarfegyerek a 15-17, Szadzadban " (Hussar Weapons of 15-17th c.).
A very good possibility this may have been such a hussar sabre blade which ended up being transmitted into the trade blade context.
Hungarian blades were very highly regarded in Arabia, and this one may well have entered there, from there traded into the networks which entered African entrepots.

VERY intriguing blade with some great potential!!
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