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Old 6th July 2017, 05:27 PM   #1
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Default Help ID'ing a spear-head/knife

I hope someone can help me identify the region of origin for an item I've had for a little less than a year now. It is a socketed spear head that has a carved wooden pommel inserted in the socket to form a very serviceable knife. The whole seems to be forged with some skill, and the dimensions are quite robust.

This was the only item I acquired from part of an estate that included quite a number of African weapons. Naturally, I assumed this too was African. However, I haven't been able to find examples of single edged spear heads from Africa (although it is a massive region, and I'm sure they must exist).

A key feature is the carved pommel. It depicts a head with four faces. Each face is deftly carved to show a distinct emotion. The execution is such that it suggests to me that this is an established motif. I found one such reference to a four-faced Buddha in India, and am also reminded of the three-faced pommels on Tibetan phurbas. That said, the overall aesthetic doesn't feel South Asian.

This is, however, a beefy and functional blade that was fashioned for utility. I'd love to know more about it's origin and the significance of the carved faces. Any speculation is greatly appreciated.

Thank you all for your thoughts.
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Old 7th July 2017, 06:04 AM   #2
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I think this is from Tiawan and an old piece. It might draw some attention. Nice find. I like the wood pummel . Which is not typical but no reason why it is not original. Some members Will know more about it.
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the atayal of taiwan had open socket knives/swords similar to this. a forum search on 'atayal' might be informative.
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Old 8th July 2017, 02:35 AM   #4
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You people are amazing! I had never heard of the atayal before.
I looked thru the threads, and found one example with a clear socket hilt. Some of the face on the carved wooden hilts seem somewhat similar to the carving of my pommel.
Does anyone know if the four-faced head has a known significance? It seems yuanzhumin is the resident authority one this form. Is he still an active member?
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Old 8th July 2017, 05:59 AM   #5
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Try http://www.functionalselfdefense.or...al-truku-knife/ I think this is a knife ... Truku. The one below is considered a sword...
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Try http://www.functionalselfdefense.or...al-truku-knife/ I think this is a knife ... Truku. The one below is considered a sword...



Hello Ibrahiim,

the sword you show is a tourist item, sorry.

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Try http://www.functionalselfdefense.or...al-truku-knife/ I think this is a knife ... Truku. The one below is considered a sword...



Back in the early 1960's, when I as a kid, someone bought a sword like that for me from a souvenir shop on the board walk of Atlantic City NJ I had it hanging in my room for many years. The one in your image looks exactly like it! Is the scabbard open on the other side?
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