Some Sahel weapons

colin henshaw · 20th December 2011, 07:26 PM

Hi

There is a fair bit of interest in the forum on items from the Sahel area - so I thought I would post these three recent acquisitions for I.D.

A point to note is the similar plaited leatherwork on each weapon. Not sure if the sheath was originally made for the sword - but the lizard decorative feature is fun.

As usual, comments are welcome.

Iain · 20th December 2011, 07:54 PM

Hi Colin,

Very nice find! All from Mandara area in my opinion, judging particularly by the leatherwork.

Takouba is a neat example and I think reasonably old judging by the pommel (close up of that when you can would be great).

Blade is a very odd profile for this region, usually rounded tips, nothing this pointy. I like it and I think it has some good age. The lizard is also very neat. Perhaps someone will recognize the style and be able to pinpoint an ethnic group?

If you ever get sick of the sword put me at the front of the line

Iain

Mefidk · 21st December 2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Iain

Hi Colin,

Takouba is a neat example and I think reasonably old judging by the pommel (close up of that when you can would be great).

Blade is a very odd profile for this region, usually rounded tips, nothing this pointy. I like it and I think it has some good age. The lizard is also very neat. Perhaps someone will recognize the style and be able to pinpoint an ethnic group?

Takouba looks old to me too. The narrow guard profile seems and pommel consistent with some of the older hilts. To me the angle of the guard also suggests long usage. I guess they start out perpendicular to the grip and get pulled by fingers gripping on top of the guard (that is I believe that is the way that they are normally used).
The point does seem odd though. Do we have any other examples of pointy takoubas with age, or does it look like this was a more recent alternation?

Iain · 21st December 2011, 09:44 AM

The pommel does seem old, the leather of course less so on the hilt, but that is normal. I have seen grips where one finger does grab onto the top of the guard yes, would give good tip control.

Personally I am inclined from the photos available to believe the blade has not been reshaped. I have seen a few pointy takouba and there are also plenty of pointy forms in the region which this hilt could overlap with. For example:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14500

Hopefully Colin can chime in here as it is a bit hard to tell from the photos?

The style of this doesn't really surprise me, so many odd short swords with cultural crossovers occur in this region, I am most interested in the lizard as it seems like a strong visual motif that could possibly be solidly tied to a particular ethnic group.

colin henshaw · 22nd December 2011, 11:31 AM

Here are some more images of the takouba. I usually think of these swords with the "walnut" one-piece pommels as being older than the layered types of pommel ??

The tip of the blade may have been reshaped - but if so, probably some time ago. The sheath has a slight curved profile, so perhaps not originally made for this sword ? Most likely a native-made blade.

Anyway, hopefully the images will explain more...

Iain · 22nd December 2011, 11:40 AM

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the extra images. Yes, in general I believe these pommels are much older, or at least reflect and earlier style. The other point of age on your piece is that the leather is stitched, newer hilts tend to have glued leather.

Agreed that this is 100% a native blade. Looking at the point, it does look reshaped to me now. Seems to be a pretty aggressive edge on the tip which doesn't match the rest of the blade? Or maybe the angle is confusing me. Perhaps done to fit the scabbard? But as you say, looks like it was done a while ago.

The curve on the scabbard is perhaps due to shrinkage? I don't recall seeing anything similar, although the style of the leather work is consistent with a lot of ethnic groups in the Sahel.

The pommel I think is the standout feature of this sword, much harder to find swords like this than the flat or stacked pommels.

20th December 2011, 07:26 PM	#1
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Some Sahel weapons Hi There is a fair bit of interest in the forum on items from the Sahel area - so I thought I would post these three recent acquisitions for I.D. A point to note is the similar plaited leatherwork on each weapon. Not sure if the sheath was originally made for the sword - but the lizard decorative feature is fun. As usual, comments are welcome. Attached Images

22nd December 2011, 11:31 AM	#5
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Here are some more images of the takouba. I usually think of these swords with the "walnut" one-piece pommels as being older than the layered types of pommel ?? The tip of the blade may have been reshaped - but if so, probably some time ago. The sheath has a slight curved profile, so perhaps not originally made for this sword ? Most likely a native-made blade. Anyway, hopefully the images will explain more... Attached Images

20th December 2011, 07:54 PM	#2
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,708	Hi Colin, Very nice find! All from Mandara area in my opinion, judging particularly by the leatherwork. Takouba is a neat example and I think reasonably old judging by the pommel (close up of that when you can would be great). Blade is a very odd profile for this region, usually rounded tips, nothing this pointy. I like it and I think it has some good age. The lizard is also very neat. Perhaps someone will recognize the style and be able to pinpoint an ethnic group? If you ever get sick of the sword put me at the front of the line Iain

21st December 2011, 09:44 AM	#4
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,708	The pommel does seem old, the leather of course less so on the hilt, but that is normal. I have seen grips where one finger does grab onto the top of the guard yes, would give good tip control. Personally I am inclined from the photos available to believe the blade has not been reshaped. I have seen a few pointy takouba and there are also plenty of pointy forms in the region which this hilt could overlap with. For example: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14500 Hopefully Colin can chime in here as it is a bit hard to tell from the photos? The style of this doesn't really surprise me, so many odd short swords with cultural crossovers occur in this region, I am most interested in the lizard as it seems like a strong visual motif that could possibly be solidly tied to a particular ethnic group.

22nd December 2011, 11:40 AM	#6
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,708	Hi Colin, Thanks for the extra images. Yes, in general I believe these pommels are much older, or at least reflect and earlier style. The other point of age on your piece is that the leather is stitched, newer hilts tend to have glued leather. Agreed that this is 100% a native blade. Looking at the point, it does look reshaped to me now. Seems to be a pretty aggressive edge on the tip which doesn't match the rest of the blade? Or maybe the angle is confusing me. Perhaps done to fit the scabbard? But as you say, looks like it was done a while ago. The curve on the scabbard is perhaps due to shrinkage? I don't recall seeing anything similar, although the style of the leather work is consistent with a lot of ethnic groups in the Sahel. The pommel I think is the standout feature of this sword, much harder to find swords like this than the flat or stacked pommels.