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Old 3rd September 2011, 02:16 PM   #1
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Default Greek Daggers for ID + Translation pls.

Can anyone shed any light on these Ka'mas please?
Notice that one is left and one is right handed?
My Greek is nil, so if anyone could help with a translation please?

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Old 3rd September 2011, 04:33 PM   #2
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So, in the first picture the first knife writes:

Mitilini, May of 1916 (Mitilini is a Greek island in the northwest of Greece)

The second knife writes:

Kydonia, March of 1916 (Kydonia is the old name of the town of Chania in the island of Crete in the south of Greece). Unless it is another Kydonia in another part of Greece

Now, in the second picture the writings are in poet form which is not traslated so good in English, but I'll try my best.

First knife: My poor chest has become a library, and inside it has been printed lots of grief and sorrow

second knife: I was born in pain, I will die in suffering, and suffering will be writen on my tombstone

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So, in the first picture the first knife writes:

Mitilini, May of 1916 (Mitilini is a Greek island in the northwest of Greece)

The second knife writes:

Kydonia, March of 1916 (Kydonia is the old name of the town of Chania in the island of Crete in the south of Greece). Unless it is another Kydonia in another part of Greece

Now, in the second picture the writings are in poet form which is not traslated so good in English, but I'll try my best.

First knife: My poor chest has become a library, and inside it has been printed lots of grief and sorrow

second knife: I was born in pain, I will die in suffering, and suffering will be writen on my tombstone

Hope that helps


George

Hi George,

Thats amazing thank you.
Why are the inscriptions so dark? I'm really suprised!
Thank you so much for your help.
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Old 3rd September 2011, 04:49 PM   #4
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Hi Gene,

You are most welcome.

BTW very good knifes you got there. Beautiful stuff!!!

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So, after a quick search on the net, I found out that Kydonia is also a village in Mytilini. So, both knifes belonged probably to the same man, given the fact that they are identical, with the same hand writing on both.

Maybe the bearer was very good at knifefighting, holding a knife in each hand??

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So, after a quick search on the net, I found out that Kydonia is also a village in Mytilini. So, both knifes belonged probably to the same man, given the fact that they are identical, with the same hand writing on both.

Maybe the bearer was very good at knifefighting, holding a knife in each hand??

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George
Ahh, I see.
Is there significance to the two greek flags beside the shield and crown do you know?

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Hi Gene,

You are most welcome.

BTW very good knifes you got there. Beautiful stuff!!!

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George

Hi George,

I'm really pleased with them. Even more pleased now that I can understand their 'message'.

I have to echo Ariels question, were such 'fatalistic' inscriptions usual?
I've never seen ones quite like this before.

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Interesting... Based on the form of handles and the crude manner of decorations, I would have thought of Syria, or shibria-type .
But the inscriptions..... Was it in vogue to sound so bathetic? I guess Prozac was not yet invented, otherwise the general outlook of the owners would have been more cheerful.
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Interesting... Based on the form of handles and the crude manner of decorations, I would have thought of Syria, or shibria-type .
But the inscriptions..... Was it in vogue to sound so bathetic? I guess Prozac was not yet invented, otherwise the general outlook of the owners would have been more cheerful.
Hey Ariel, you forget that Greece gave birth to drama? It's in the nature of Greek to be, sometimes, a little more dramatic


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Usually, this kind of poetry written on knifes is seen on Cretan knifes, and it resembles to Cretan "mantinada", which is poetry in two lines, usually with a variety of themes, most of them with a dramatic tone.

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