Penis or mushroom

Tim Simmons · 6th May 2009, 05:48 PM

Club. This is my latest club New Caledonia. I was forced to push the boat out but I think it was well worth it. This decoration when seen on ceramics is classifed as tracks of the centipede which is interesting. Shown next to a big knobkerrie.

Jim McDougall · 6th May 2009, 06:18 PM

Gasp!!!!

Tim!!! I gotta say my heart stopped in reading this way unusual title!

OK, we'll leave it 'anatomical'

in analogy. I always think of the poor Victorians with the 'ballock' daggers, and thier desperate attempt to liken them to a more prudently acceptable anatomical part, the kidney.

I will say incredibly 'interesting' items, and good note on the motif linked to centipede tracks. I always appreciate that kind of insight on the symbolism found on weaponry.

All the best,
Jim

VANDOO · 6th May 2009, 06:47 PM

ITS NOT A MUSHROOM

THE PHALLIC SYMBOLISM IS FAIRLY COMMON ON MANY OLD CLUBS. IT WAS QUITE COMMON IN FIJI BUT MOST OF THE NEWER ONES HAVE A BUTT END THAT IS EITHER FLAT OR HAS A SMALL POTRUSION WITH A HOLE IN IT FOR A WRIST CORD. PERHAPS IT WAS DUE TO TONGAN INFLUENCE OR THE INFLUENCE OF MISSIONARIES IN LATER TIMES

HERE IS A OLD FIJI CLUB WITH THE FULL PHALLIC HANDLE I READ SOMEWHERE THAT BEFORE BATTLE AND DURING CERTIAN DANCES THE WARRIORS WOULD HOLD THIS KIND OF CLUB BY THE SPUR ON THE STRIKING END AND BRANDISH THE HANDLE AT THE ENEMY OR PERHAPS BEST GAL. THIS KIND OF CLUB IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A GUNSTOCK CLUB BUT I BELIEVE IT PREDATES EXPOSURE TO OUTSIDE INFLUENCES.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS A PERIOD IN THE ISLANDS WHEN THE OLD CLUBS WERE LEFT IN A STORAGE HUT SOMEWHERE WHILE STEEL AXES AND OTHER WEAPONS REPLACED THEM SO MOST WERE LOST TO TERMITES OR EXPOSURE OR ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE. THE ONES BROUGHT BACK BY EARLY EXPLORERS LIKE COOK BEING THE EXAMPLES OF THE OLD CLUB FORMS IN THE BEST CONDITION.

Jim McDougall · 6th May 2009, 08:11 PM

Nicely done Vandoo!....'phallic'......much gooder!!!

KuKulzA28 · 6th May 2009, 09:25 PM

Looks like a penis to me...

I've heard the crook in the above club can be used to shatter necks...

it all just gives "f*** my life" a deeper meaning... or just a more painful one

Rick · 6th May 2009, 11:15 PM

Please spare us the F bomb; kthnx .

6th May 2009, 05:48 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Penis or mushroom Club. This is my latest club New Caledonia. I was forced to push the boat out but I think it was well worth it. This decoration when seen on ceramics is classifed as tracks of the centipede which is interesting. Shown next to a big knobkerrie. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 6th May 2009 at 06:08 PM.

6th May 2009, 06:47 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ITS NOT A MUSHROOM THE PHALLIC SYMBOLISM IS FAIRLY COMMON ON MANY OLD CLUBS. IT WAS QUITE COMMON IN FIJI BUT MOST OF THE NEWER ONES HAVE A BUTT END THAT IS EITHER FLAT OR HAS A SMALL POTRUSION WITH A HOLE IN IT FOR A WRIST CORD. PERHAPS IT WAS DUE TO TONGAN INFLUENCE OR THE INFLUENCE OF MISSIONARIES IN LATER TIMES HERE IS A OLD FIJI CLUB WITH THE FULL PHALLIC HANDLE I READ SOMEWHERE THAT BEFORE BATTLE AND DURING CERTIAN DANCES THE WARRIORS WOULD HOLD THIS KIND OF CLUB BY THE SPUR ON THE STRIKING END AND BRANDISH THE HANDLE AT THE ENEMY OR PERHAPS BEST GAL. THIS KIND OF CLUB IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A GUNSTOCK CLUB BUT I BELIEVE IT PREDATES EXPOSURE TO OUTSIDE INFLUENCES. UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS A PERIOD IN THE ISLANDS WHEN THE OLD CLUBS WERE LEFT IN A STORAGE HUT SOMEWHERE WHILE STEEL AXES AND OTHER WEAPONS REPLACED THEM SO MOST WERE LOST TO TERMITES OR EXPOSURE OR ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE. THE ONES BROUGHT BACK BY EARLY EXPLORERS LIKE COOK BEING THE EXAMPLES OF THE OLD CLUB FORMS IN THE BEST CONDITION. Attached Images

6th May 2009, 09:25 PM	#5
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Looks like a penis to me... I've heard the crook in the above club can be used to shatter necks... it all just gives "f** my life"* a deeper meaning... or just a more painful one Last edited by KuKulzA28; 7th May 2009 at 01:48 AM.

6th May 2009, 06:18 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Gasp!!!! Tim!!! I gotta say my heart stopped in reading this way unusual title! OK, we'll leave it 'anatomical' in analogy. I always think of the poor Victorians with the 'ballock' daggers, and thier desperate attempt to liken them to a more prudently acceptable anatomical part, the kidney. I will say incredibly 'interesting' items, and good note on the motif linked to centipede tracks. I always appreciate that kind of insight on the symbolism found on weaponry. All the best, Jim

6th May 2009, 08:11 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Nicely done Vandoo!....'phallic'......much gooder!!!

6th May 2009, 11:15 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Please spare us the F bomb; kthnx .