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Old 7th June 2019, 06:28 PM   #1
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Default My second bugis. Options on this one please

Hi all,

Bought my second bugis. I like the pamor. Seems a 9 luk if I look correct.
Pamor ? a mixed one? I have no idea how old this keris is

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Old 7th June 2019, 06:36 PM   #2
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Old 7th June 2019, 08:55 PM   #3
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The blade with 9 shallow waves looks old but not Bugis IMO, but maybe from West Java?
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Old 7th June 2019, 09:23 PM   #4
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The blade with 9 shallow waves looks old but not Bugis IMO, but maybe from West Java?
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Hi Jean,

Can you explain why it not Bugis? I though it is a Bugis because of the urikan style

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Old 7th June 2019, 10:34 PM   #5
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Yes, definitely not a Bugis blade, and very probably West Jawa.

Jean spoke first, so I'll leave the explanation to him.
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Old 8th June 2019, 06:43 AM   #6
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thanks for the information, about the region of the urikan Sulawesi ?

About the blade, what pamor is this? I asume some kind of Wos Wutah at the base. Further on the blade something else.

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Old 9th June 2019, 11:43 AM   #7
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Hi Jean,

Can you explain why it not Bugis? I though it is a Bugis because of the urikan style

regards Pat
Hello Pat,
What do you mean by urikan, is it ukiran (hilt)? IMO this blade is not Bugis for the following reasons (among others):
. The dapur with the shallow and uneven waves and the slim shape is not Bugis but rather typical of West Java.
. The pamor pattern is not typically Bugis.
. The shape of the gonjo, pejetan, and greneng is not Bugis.
Please see a similar blade on pic 1.4.69 in my kris book if you have it.
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Old 9th June 2019, 11:49 AM   #8
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My similar blade for reference, regards.
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Hello Pat,
What do you mean by urikan, is it ukiran (hilt)? IMO this blade is not Bugis for the following reasons (among others):
. The dapur with the shallow and uneven waves and the slim shape is not Bugis but rather typical of West Java.
. The pamor pattern is not typically Bugis.
. The shape of the gonjo, pejetan, and greneng is not Bugis.
Please see a similar blade on pic 1.4.69 in my kris book if you have it.
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Hi Jean, I was meaning ukiran. thank you for all the info. I will look in Holland for your book. already found an other book from you at the museum in Leiden (THE KRIS A PASSION FROM INDONESIA (188 pages, 2008)

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