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			I recently acquired this rapier which i gather is 17th century. There is a head shaped stamp on both sides of the blade which i can not identify. 
		
		
		
			Blade length is 83cm and total is 97cm. Any help would be most welcome  
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			Congratulations on your acquisition. Staffan Kinman’s European Makers of Edged Weapons, Their Marks (2015) lists two Solingen smiths with marks consisting of Moorish heads: i) Johan (Johannis) Beugel 1648-1688 and ii) Peter the Elder Munsten zu Elberfeld 1552-1628.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Great looking sword, but technically not a rapier. More of a broad sword with a mortuary or walloon style hilt/guard.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			True. These type of swords have many names like Felddegen, Reiterdegen, Walloon sword, etc.
		 
		
		
		
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			I'll add haudegen, just to expand the set. }|:oP
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Thank you all for your insights, does anyone also have this specific makers mark in a reference book for me please?  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 
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