Origin of HANCER daggers

mariusgmioc · 19th March 2020, 02:32 PM

Here we have one that belonged to Osman Bey and was made in Damascus, Syria.

Now let us try to find more of the same kind with incriptions containing the place of origin, in the hope we can accurately locate more of them and eventually establish a pattern.

mariusgmioc · 19th March 2020, 02:34 PM

Here we have a second one attributed to Turkey and dated 1187 corresponding to 1773 AD.

Maybe Kwiatek will be kind enough to translate the text for us so we cand know where exactly does it come from...

ariel · 19th March 2020, 04:21 PM

Interesting that the second one is described as "... generally attributed to Albania or Montenegro". And then mentions its issuance to the " Balkan mercenaries"; those were by and large Albanians.

mariusgmioc · 19th March 2020, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Interesting that the second one is described as "... generally attributed to Albania or Montenegro". And then mentions its issuance to the " Balkan mercenaries"; those were by and large Albanians.

Isn't this exactly what Kubur said?!

And further continues saying they were in fact typical Turkish and of probable Kurdish origin... which is consistent with what Elgood said.

Kubur · 21st March 2020, 10:58 PM

More of these, they are called by collectors and dealers "Albanian jambiya".

Kubur · 21st March 2020, 10:59 PM

As you can see some of them have hilts more Kurdish in style...
To support Marius point and the link with Persian blades, I think the Kurds are the link: from today Turkey to Syria up to Iran...

kwiatek · 14th April 2020, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Here we have a second one attributed to Turkey and dated 1187 corresponding to 1773 AD.

Maybe Kwiatek will be kind enough to translate the text for us so we cand know where exactly does it come from...

Again, it is possible to make suggestions for individual words, but I do not think the inscription as a whole reads or that the person who made it knew what they were inscribing/copying. The date of 1187, however, is legible

19th March 2020, 02:32 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Origin of HANCER daggers Here we have one that belonged to Osman Bey and was made in Damascus, Syria. Now let us try to find more of the same kind with incriptions containing the place of origin, in the hope we can accurately locate more of them and eventually establish a pattern. Attached Images Last edited by mariusgmioc; 19th March 2020 at 02:53 PM.

19th March 2020, 02:34 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Here we have a second one attributed to Turkey and dated 1187 corresponding to 1773 AD. Maybe Kwiatek will be kind enough to translate the text for us so we cand know where exactly does it come from... Attached Images Last edited by mariusgmioc; 19th March 2020 at 02:55 PM.

21st March 2020, 10:58 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	More of these, they are called by collectors and dealers "Albanian jambiya". Attached Images

21st March 2020, 10:59 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	As you can see some of them have hilts more Kurdish in style... To support Marius point and the link with Persian blades, I think the Kurds are the link: from today Turkey to Syria up to Iran... Attached Images

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19th March 2020, 04:21 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Interesting that the second one is described as "... generally attributed to Albania or Montenegro". And then mentions its issuance to the " Balkan mercenaries"; those were by and large Albanians.