otoman pic axe and war hammer or persian ??

[weapons 27]

What do you think that this set pic axe and war hammer.
you know the origin !!
I did some research and it would otoman!!!
thank

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by weapons 27

What do you think that this set pic axe and war hammer.
you know the origin !!
I did some research and it would otoman!!!
thank

Salaams weapons 27 ~This subject is much deeper than it first seems.. What I find interesting is that weapons such as these continued to be carried well into the 20th Century; more as a badge of office for those they belonged to...The Sufi /Jewish Sect; spanning across the region and including Iran; see https://kavvanah.wordpress.com/2013/...ervishes-1922/

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[drac2k]

Could some of the parade axes that I usually associate with the Qajar dynasty actually been used by these dervishes ? They look very similar .

[A.alnakkas]

Originally Posted by drac2k

Could some of the parade axes that I usually associate with the Qajar dynasty actually been used by these dervishes ? They look very similar .

Flimsy look and poor quality silver koftgari is almost identical to Syrian made stuff. Though I dont recall axes and maces...

[Kubur]

I totally agree, it is not an old set.
It's not Ottoman and it's not Qajar.
May be a Turkish or Indian tourist set.
I cannot say if it's an early 20th or even a 1970ties set...
I'm sure some members will answer to this question.
Sorry for that...
Kubur

[ward]

The problem with saying koftkagari is 1930- back is that it is still being made in traditional ways. I have seen it worked in morocco, Egypt , and 2nd hand India . I know of others who have seen the work done recently in turkey and Syria. I have watched black smithing work done in morocco. A lot of items out there are new or redecorated.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by drac2k

Could some of the parade axes that I usually associate with the Qajar dynasty actually been used by these dervishes ? They look very similar .

Salaams drac2k ~ I think so ...I have seen Dervish pictures with almost the entire range of weapons including axes etc... Qajari period...and later.

For a broad outline see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish .

The list of pictures shows various Dervishes in different garb...some with axes etc and one which is named as a Dervish Sword see https://www.pinterest.com/pin/7881368073626987/

See here Jewish dervishes Agha-Jaan Darvish and his brother, patriarchs of the Darvish family. Tehran, Iran, c.1922;
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JW4sWqPJbN...O0/s1600/1.jpg

Another Dervish with a saddle axe;
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=c...ian+Dervishers


Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[drac2k]

Thank you Ibrahiim al Balooshi for linking to some very interesting sites !

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Please also see a partial report concerning the equipment worn and carried by Persian Dervish including weapons at http://www.academia.edu/11324900/Vis...n_Iran_part_1_