OTTOMAN NEWLY MADE SWORD????

ilias · 26th April 2015, 06:14 PM

HI EVERYONE,.
RECENTLY THIS SWORD WAS SOLD AT A REDICULOUS HIGH PRICE.
TO MY EYES THIS IS A FAKE ONE.NEWLY MADE KOFTGHARI WORK AND A NEW BLADE.
PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINIONS.

BANDOOK · 27th April 2015, 04:58 AM

AGREE,LOOKS FAKE TO ME AND CONDITION IS AS IF IT WAS NEVER USED

Kubur · 27th April 2015, 07:38 AM

Yep and the central spine in the middle of the blade or the untouched gold goftari are more than suspicious...

ALEX · 27th April 2015, 09:28 AM

I agree with Ilias' and others. besides what's mentioned, the blade shows signs of "unnatural"aging.

ashoka · 27th April 2015, 10:43 AM

I do think the hilt and crossguard are possibly old. They have put the crossguard on upside down which is fairly ridiculous and then had to cut into the upper side of the guard to allow the blade to fit. It's hardly important in the context. Why fakers would use such a uniquely strange blade is fairly silly. The quality of the goldwork is slightly worrying though, it could almost be right apart from all the other mistakes

ALEX · 27th April 2015, 11:55 AM

Another good catch, Stefan
There are more "mistakes" that show retrofit. yes, the coftgari is good quality, but not ususual nor unseen before.

ilias · 27th April 2015, 01:33 PM

I agree with all of you.
The thing that worried me most is the kofghari work and espesially the very nice detail at the cartoush.At a better blade I agree with Stefan would be difficult to say that it is not old.
the handle looks like the one that used to have the Turkish officer swords end of 19th c. but with different crossguard.

ilias · 27th April 2015, 01:41 PM

This one also is a very nice faked example that it was sold recently at high price at a known Auction house.Possibly there is a lot of people doing this work(fakes) and very succesfully I must say.
The handle at this one looks right but the blade doesnt.

26th April 2015, 06:14 PM	#1
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	OTTOMAN NEWLY MADE SWORD???? HI EVERYONE,. RECENTLY THIS SWORD WAS SOLD AT A REDICULOUS HIGH PRICE. TO MY EYES THIS IS A FAKE ONE.NEWLY MADE KOFTGHARI WORK AND A NEW BLADE. PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINIONS. Attached Images

27th April 2015, 10:43 AM	#5
ashoka Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	I do think the hilt and crossguard are possibly old. They have put the crossguard on upside down which is fairly ridiculous and then had to cut into the upper side of the guard to allow the blade to fit. It's hardly important in the context. Why fakers would use such a uniquely strange blade is fairly silly. The quality of the goldwork is slightly worrying though, it could almost be right apart from all the other mistakes Last edited by ashoka; 27th April 2015 at 10:59 AM.

27th April 2015, 01:41 PM	#8
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	This one also is a very nice faked example that it was sold recently at high price at a known Auction house.Possibly there is a lot of people doing this work(fakes) and very succesfully I must say. The handle at this one looks right but the blade doesnt. Attached Images

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27th April 2015, 04:58 AM	#2
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	AGREE,LOOKS FAKE TO ME AND CONDITION IS AS IF IT WAS NEVER USED

27th April 2015, 07:38 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Yep and the central spine in the middle of the blade or the untouched gold goftari are more than suspicious...

27th April 2015, 09:28 AM	#4
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	I agree with Ilias' and others. besides what's mentioned, the blade shows signs of "unnatural"aging.

27th April 2015, 11:55 AM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Another good catch, Stefan There are more "mistakes" that show retrofit. yes, the coftgari is good quality, but not ususual nor unseen before.

27th April 2015, 01:33 PM	#7
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	I agree with all of you. The thing that worried me most is the kofghari work and espesially the very nice detail at the cartoush.At a better blade I agree with Stefan would be difficult to say that it is not old. the handle looks like the one that used to have the Turkish officer swords end of 19th c. but with different crossguard.