Is this from Morroco?

Terry K · 24th September 2014, 05:45 AM

I have been trying to get this for six months and finally traded for it. The blade has French stamps on it. I really do not know what it is or where this came from but it looks Turkish to me. Had red in the handle at one time but much has came out. Is this 1800's? Measures approx. 17 inches. Any info would be appreciated.

Gavin Nugent · 24th September 2014, 06:14 AM

Hello Terry,

This is a Moroccan knife called a Koumaya.
It appears to be 20th century at face value.

Regards

Gavin

Terry K · 24th September 2014, 01:28 PM

Thank You much, Gavin.
I will post more pictures but who knows when they will be posted as I am new and everything is still filtered.
Terry

Terry K · 24th September 2014, 01:30 PM

more pics

Terry K · 24th September 2014, 01:34 PM

blade pics

Oliver Pinchot · 24th September 2014, 05:33 PM

Moroccan works is often identifiable by region. This is Altit (Moroccan southern Atlas) work, typified by the scrolled and pierced motifs. It's also found in jewelry and musket mounts in the region. The quality of the work, and the more conservative use of silver, implies a mid-19th century date. The name is Kumiyyah, stressed on the second syllable. It is often transliterated koumiyyah, from French.

blue lander · 24th September 2014, 05:54 PM

My koummya has similar marks on the blade but they're too faint to read

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18824

spiral · 24th September 2014, 07:01 PM

Although the blades dated 1855 & with marks stating Napoleon 111 etc. As "Empire France" is clearly written in English the marks are not to be trusted for dating I would surmise?

If A French or Moroccan period Napoleon the 3rd blade it would say "Empire Francais" after all?

So perhaps made or marketed for people who speak English?

spiral

24th September 2014, 05:45 AM	#1
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	Is this from Morroco? I have been trying to get this for six months and finally traded for it. The blade has French stamps on it. I really do not know what it is or where this came from but it looks Turkish to me. Had red in the handle at one time but much has came out. Is this 1800's? Measures approx. 17 inches. Any info would be appreciated. Attached Images

24th September 2014, 01:30 PM	#4
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	more pics Attached Images

24th September 2014, 01:34 PM	#5
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	blade pics Attached Images

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24th September 2014, 06:14 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hello Terry, This is a Moroccan knife called a Koumaya. It appears to be 20th century at face value. Regards Gavin

24th September 2014, 01:28 PM	#3
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	Thank You much, Gavin. I will post more pictures but who knows when they will be posted as I am new and everything is still filtered. Terry

24th September 2014, 05:33 PM	#6
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 464	Moroccan works is often identifiable by region. This is Altit (Moroccan southern Atlas) work, typified by the scrolled and pierced motifs. It's also found in jewelry and musket mounts in the region. The quality of the work, and the more conservative use of silver, implies a mid-19th century date. The name is Kumiyyah, stressed on the second syllable. It is often transliterated koumiyyah, from French.

24th September 2014, 05:54 PM	#7
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	My koummya has similar marks on the blade but they're too faint to read http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18824

24th September 2014, 07:01 PM	#8
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Although the blades dated 1855 & with marks stating Napoleon 111 etc. As "Empire France" is clearly written in English the marks are not to be trusted for dating I would surmise? If A French or Moroccan period Napoleon the 3rd blade it would say "Empire Francais" after all? So perhaps made or marketed for people who speak English? spiral