Please help to identify these two blades

Urbanarcheologist · 21st December 2011, 09:19 PM

Got any Ideas

VANDOO · 21st December 2011, 10:18 PM

WELCOME TO THE FORUM

THE LONG ONE IS A SHORT SWORD FROM AFRICA, LOOKS TO BE A GOOD OLD ONE IN GOOD CONDITION NOT MY FIELD SO CAN'T PIN IT DOWN BETTER. THE SMALLER A DAGGER FROM SYRIA LIKLY BONE, HORN AND WOOD FOR THE GRIP BUT IVORY IS ALSO USED HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES. I AM SURE SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MORE KNOWLEGABLE IN THINGS AFRICAN WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.

Sajen · 21st December 2011, 10:34 PM

Hello,

welcome to the forum. The long one is indeed from Africa, Rwanda and called Shi-Havu. Look for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10967 and here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10921

I think that yours is a very good and old one, maybe from around 1900.

Regards,

Detlef

Dom · 22nd December 2011, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE SMALLER A DAGGER FROM SYRIA LIKLY BONE, HORN AND WOOD FOR THE GRIP BUT IVORY IS ALSO USED HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES.

Welcome "Urbanarcheologist"
I'm a little bit spectic concerning "Vandoo" idea's
- yes, Syrian daggers grip are made with the same fashion, alternace of; bone, horn, copper
BUT
- the scabbard, it's far from what it's made in Middle-East
- the blade quality it's very far from what it's made in Middle-East
conclusion,
I dunno from where it's come from this dagger, but Syria, I've a strong doubt

à +

Dom

Urbanarcheologist · 22nd December 2011, 09:23 AM

Thank you all for your input. The handle of the small blade looks to be a mixture of Ivory, Bone and Ebony with the brass inlay. I am really interested to find out more about it. Some of the other items I got with this same stuff was from Africa that is why I kind of assumed it may be from there as well, but I also got an Italian 1871 Sabre with this stuff as well.

Lew · 22nd December 2011, 01:05 PM

Greetings UA

The curved dagger is North African probably Ethiopian. Your sword is Shi havu an older example. Just for the record I edited out your last question about the value of your items. It is against forum policy to ask for appraisals.

kahnjar1 · 22nd December 2011, 05:48 PM

I agree that the dagger is likely from Ethiopia, and not Middle East.
Regards Stu

21st December 2011, 09:19 PM	#1
Urbanarcheologist Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ephrata Washington Posts: 2	Please help to identify these two blades Got any Ideas Attached Images

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Urbanarcheologist Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Ephrata Washington Posts: 2	Thanks Thank you all for your input. The handle of the small blade looks to be a mixture of Ivory, Bone and Ebony with the brass inlay. I am really interested to find out more about it. Some of the other items I got with this same stuff was from Africa that is why I kind of assumed it may be from there as well, but I also got an Italian 1871 Sabre with this stuff as well. Last edited by Lew; 22nd December 2011 at 12:53 PM.

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21st December 2011, 10:18 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE FORUM THE LONG ONE IS A SHORT SWORD FROM AFRICA, LOOKS TO BE A GOOD OLD ONE IN GOOD CONDITION NOT MY FIELD SO CAN'T PIN IT DOWN BETTER. THE SMALLER A DAGGER FROM SYRIA LIKLY BONE, HORN AND WOOD FOR THE GRIP BUT IVORY IS ALSO USED HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES. I AM SURE SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MORE KNOWLEGABLE IN THINGS AFRICAN WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.

21st December 2011, 10:34 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,420	Hello, welcome to the forum. The long one is indeed from Africa, Rwanda and called Shi-Havu. Look for example here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10967 and here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10921 I think that yours is a very good and old one, maybe from around 1900. Regards, Detlef

22nd December 2011, 01:05 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Greetings UA The curved dagger is North African probably Ethiopian. Your sword is Shi havu an older example. Just for the record I edited out your last question about the value of your items. It is against forum policy to ask for appraisals.

22nd December 2011, 05:48 PM	#7
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,813	I agree that the dagger is likely from Ethiopia, and not Middle East. Regards Stu