Unsusual hilt

Sajen · 1st January 2010, 02:44 PM

A collector friend just received this hilt from ivory. Since we both have never seen a hilt like this he asked me if I can post it here to get maybe some more informations about.
Every comment are welcome.

Marcokeris · 1st January 2010, 03:58 PM

Beautiful hit

IMO: Very rare to find . I don't have this hit... and is one of my target everytime i'm in Indonesia.
A similar hit is in the book "Hulu keris" in which the author said it comes from
Yogya ...or Solo area (I don't remember well)
Congraturation

Alam Shah · 1st January 2010, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

.. A similar hit is in the book "Hulu keris" in which the author said it comes from Yogya ...or Solo area (I don't remember well)..

According to "Hulu Keris", it is said to be a Surakarta abstract piece, a cat devoured by a snake.. but in this case, it looks more like a puppy or a lamb..

What is the significance of the depiction? What does it symbolise?

David · 1st January 2010, 08:16 PM

hmmm...i wonder about the age of this piece. I wonder if this isn't a contemporary artists interpretation of a rare older hilt which has then been treated to appear old. I am not familiar with the hilt in Hulu Keris. How old is that one said to be? It should be kept in mind that modern carvers are quite capable of reproducing rare old hilt styles and then presenting them as old with a bit of artificial aging and staining. Is it then a "rare" hilt or merely a copy of one?

Sajen · 1st January 2010, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

hmmm...i wonder about the age of this piece. I wonder if this isn't a contemporary artists interpretation of a rare older hilt which has then been treated to appear old. I am not familiar with the hilt in Hulu Keris. How old is that one said to be? It should be kept in mind that modern carvers are quite capable of reproducing rare old hilt styles and then presenting them as old with a bit of artificial aging and staining. Is it then a "rare" hilt or merely a copy of one?

Hi David,
I just send a mail to my friend where I asked him if he have informations about the history of this hilt.

Sajen · 1st January 2010, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

According to "Hulu Keris", it is said to be a Surakarta abstract piece, a cat devoured by a snake.. but in this case, it looks more like a puppy or a lamb..

What is the significance of the depiction? What does it symbolise?

Thank you Alam. This is what we want to know also. The hilt in "Hulu Keris" we know also but unfortunately there is no further background.

Sajen · 1st January 2010, 10:49 PM

The former owner of this hilt passed away more than twenty years ago and the family decide some time ago to sell this collection. There are no further informations when and where this hilt is collected, sorry.

BluErf · 2nd January 2010, 02:37 AM

Perhaps more information on from where and from whom this hilt is collected from would be helpful.

guwaya · 2nd January 2010, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

The former owner of this hilt passed away more than twenty years ago and the family decide some time ago to sell this collection. There are no further informations when and where this hilt is collected, sorry.

A common story - and: "Hulu Keris" is not a reference-book for hilts.

I aggree with BluErf:
"Perhaps more information on from where and from whom this hilt is collected from would be helpful."

guwaya

1st January 2010, 02:44 PM	#1
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1st January 2010, 03:58 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Beautiful hit IMO: Very rare to find . I don't have this hit... and is one of my target everytime i'm in Indonesia. A similar hit is in the book "Hulu keris" in which the author said it comes from Yogya ...or Solo area (I don't remember well) Congraturation

1st January 2010, 08:16 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	hmmm...i wonder about the age of this piece. I wonder if this isn't a contemporary artists interpretation of a rare older hilt which has then been treated to appear old. I am not familiar with the hilt in Hulu Keris. How old is that one said to be? It should be kept in mind that modern carvers are quite capable of reproducing rare old hilt styles and then presenting them as old with a bit of artificial aging and staining. Is it then a "rare" hilt or merely a copy of one?

1st January 2010, 10:49 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	The former owner of this hilt passed away more than twenty years ago and the family decide some time ago to sell this collection. There are no further informations when and where this hilt is collected, sorry.

2nd January 2010, 02:37 AM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Perhaps more information on from where and from whom this hilt is collected from would be helpful.